Total Green - DX GeoThermal?
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01 Mar 2009 11:20 PM

Has anyone heard of these guys? totalgreenus.com
They use copper piping for ground loops, which actually makes sense to me as it relates to transfer of heat to/from the loops.
But, they don't give any details of the heat pumps system... They happen to be local to me.  I may have to talke to them to get more details.
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01 Mar 2009 11:32 PM

DX is a well respected ( by most ) and very effecient type of geothermal system

dont know the company or what equipment they install  Look into earthlinked ecr

there the big DX manufacturer

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02 Mar 2009 12:06 AM
JDJuggler,

I have heard of them via internet, but haven't figured out what it is they do. I'm very curious what you find out.
Clark Timothy (clark@pinksgeothermal.com)
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02 Mar 2009 05:44 PM
Hello Clark,

We are Total Green, a geothermal designer and installer - specializing in DX technology. In the last 12 months we've successfully installed 44 Total Green Geothermal Heating and Cooling systems in NY and Connecticut in both commercial and residential properties. I invite anyone to visit our website www.TotalGreenUS.com and see what we do and how we do it.

We pride ourselves in being very knowledgeable about energy management - how the structure utilizes energy. We size our systems properly, work only with approved HVAC sub-contractors and have a large body of clients that are enjoying their Total Green geothermal systems and reaping the savings that geothermal promises.

With the new tax credits we expect a host of "geothermal cowboys" to come along trying to take advantage of the demand - To that I can only say "Caveat Emptor." Let the buyer beware. If you're considering geothermal, be certain to do your due diligence and check references. A good installer will have at least least 10 or 15 systems they can point to and a few clients they'll allow you to speak with...

Go Geo.

Paul Auerbach
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Total Green LLC
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02 Mar 2009 06:01 PM
Paul,

What brand of DX are you installing? Is it "Total Green" brand?
Clark Timothy (clark@pinksgeothermal.com)
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02 Mar 2009 06:17 PM

Hi Clark,

We purchase Advanced Geo compressor assemblies and make modifications to the control block.  My technicians are amazing refrigeration engineers. 

We private label the entire installation a "Total Green Geothermal Heating and Cooling System" by project managing the heat load calculation/system sizing, insulation (we always remediate somewhere - especially air sealing) drilling (we design the drilling patterns), HVAC components and final evacuation, start-up, test and tweak.  Every system is carefully monitored to meet (our) efficiency standards.

Total Green takes it's obligation(s) seriously.  We walk from jobs where we know the installation will fail.  We give good advice, free of charge, and let the customer discover for themselves that geothermal is the best solution. 

Regards,

Paul Auerbach
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02 Mar 2009 06:25 PM

Paul the advanced geo your talking about is out of Reading Pa?

If so I have nothing bad to say about the product , which from what I understand is VERY similiar to ECR in fl.

Your company and the one I work for likely bid on a few of the same jobs

 

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02 Mar 2009 09:51 PM
Cool. Did that Advanced Geo used to be American Geothermal?
Clark Timothy (clark@pinksgeothermal.com)
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06 Mar 2009 02:45 AM

Hi Geofan,

Yep, we use the Advanced Geo equipment.  And like all geo compressor assemblies requires pros to make it work.  Bidding on the same jobs?  If you're in the Hudson Valley, very likely.  I'm sure you've noted a dramatic increase in quotes and actual jobs.  Geo is really becoming mainstream.  If you're in  our trading area why not give me a call and see if there are ways we can work together.  I'm afraid with the new tax benefits there are going to be lots of "upstarts" coming into the business without proper expertise who will give us all a bad name by putting in systems that fail because of poor engineering.

Go Geo

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06 Mar 2009 09:25 PM
ummmm,
not a great plan paul. we won't be bidding against one another, but suggest you don't plan to work with the competition to closely.
not the kind of thing that inspires confidence in our consumer friends.
j
Joe Hardin www.amicontracting.com We Dig Comfort! www.doityourselfgeothermal.com Dig Your Own Comfort!
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07 Mar 2009 12:35 AM
In fact, collusion is illegal, anyway. You could get nailed for it...
Clark Timothy (clark@pinksgeothermal.com)
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07 Mar 2009 11:28 AM
You guys are insane. I'm sure that Paul was not suggesting anything that could be considered collusion! Why would you even suggest that? Companies working together do not mean that they would be participating in collusion. Nor did his email even hint that he wanted to mislead, defraud or create some kind of secretive or unfair business tactics to his advantage.
Ease up.
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07 Mar 2009 01:36 PM
Thanks JDJUGGLER for the clarification and defense.  You are correct.  I was trying to reach out because All geothermal designers and installers need to make geothermal mainstream - and that means we need to weed out the morons who have no clue about geothermal but see a biz-op - AT ALL OUR EXPENSES. 

You guys have been in the business for awhile - how many systems have you seen where the client badmouths geothermal in general because their installer was incompetent? - and the whole winter they're running $800 electric bills (resistance heating) because the system was installed incorrectly - or worse, undersized.  I've seen my share and frankly it pisses me off!!!

We respect our colleagues in this business - at least those who are customer-centric and not installing geothermal for a quick buck.  

Paul      
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07 Mar 2009 02:34 PM
Tell me please, is DX covered by the tax credit? I had heard that it was not and getting that tax credit will be an important factor for me.

Also, will copper pipes develop pinholes if they are in acid soil? My well water is so acid from the surrounding soil that my pipes in the basement spring leaks - between the cold water tank and the Culligan water conditioning system.

Lastly, I have concerns about the refrigerant being phased out. Do you, or can you, use the newer, safer refrigerant?

I am looking for a closed loop system to avoid problems from minerals building up in the coils of an open loop system.
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07 Mar 2009 03:05 PM
DX is covered as long as it is energy star rated . Any one that says other wise has not done there homework
ph is a concern , but with cathode protection and encased with grout 111 it would be fine ( warranted and legal)
r-22 being phased out should not really be a deterrent . 407 ,417 are both ozone friendly drop in replacements that will be available
for many years to come . I would still use 22 because its capacity . but if the system is slightly over sized going to 417a will decrease system capacity while increasing COP ( My 4.6 ton system ha )
In closing DX is not the best fit for every situation ( just most ) and addressing acidic soil will increase system cost and might not be worth it
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07 Mar 2009 03:13 PM

Paul sorry didnt post back

As far as a team up ( not my call just a service tech ) I assumed that you where referring to potential joint projects or sub contracting not some diabolical price fixing scheme . so no worries there . At looking at your web site you work with local hvac companies on most jobs . we are western CT/eastern NY basically 684 to 84 . Where our interest is , is  service/maintenance as much if not more then the install if this is not where your focus lies then I dont see why we couldn't work together

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07 Mar 2009 07:55 PM

For 'postage stamp' size urban residential lot sizes, what's the minimum surface area needed, per tone, for GX technology GSHPs?

For example, for a residential lot where there's clearly not enough land for a horizontal loop field, nor enough for a vertical bore hole field, with GX's less land area requirement, how small can a lot go (how many sf of yard area) and still accommodate a 5 ton capacity GX unit?

Many thanks!

Best regards,

Bill

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07 Mar 2009 08:20 PM

for an angle bore a 10 foot circle is really the land that gets drilled

clearly you have to be able to fit the equipment in the yard , and you dont really want to drill under your neighbors home

I would say just about any 1/4 acre lot would not have a problem .

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07 Mar 2009 09:03 PM
If vertical, and I'm assuming you mean DX, not GX, it's a 12' circle for a 5 ton system. We've installed loops in as small as a 2.5" hole. Small drilling equipment can many times be used. Another option is to do it in a strait line. A 5 ton would then be a line of 5 holes spaced 7' apart, so 28' from end to end. We've done this, too.
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07 Mar 2009 09:12 PM
or horizontal beds at 500 sf/ton....
not assuming you are suggesting something untoward, Paul, but check the history on this site, it is already suggested by consumers that I am somehow in collusion with contractors nation wide. If you want businees arrangements, might I suggest that you PM folks you wish to partner with?
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