Antifreeze question
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23 Jul 2009 07:32 PM
Does it matter if I use Methanol or Glycol ?

My Distributor only carries Glycol, His calculator came up with the same amount I had figured for Methanol

It is 15.00 Per Gallon for Glycol I need about 60 Gal for a 20% solution.


Thanks for the info
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23 Jul 2009 07:43 PM
Your design needs to take into account the antifreeze.  Methanol has a higher heat transfer coefficient and lower viscosity so it is easier to pump than Glycol and can require less pipe.

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25 Jul 2009 08:37 AM
Posted By erphillips on 07/23/2009 7:32 PM
Does it matter if I use Methanol or Glycol ?

Thanks for the info
Ed


Yes, to your wallet....
As was already mentioned meth transfers heat better and is about a 10th the cost.
There is a movement afoot however to only permit the use of food grade prop glycol in our loops.
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01 Aug 2009 05:49 PM
When we refilled our hydronic heat system with propylene glycol the system started carrying a lot more heat from the boiler into the house. Plus, when the gas goes off, or the electric, the system won't freeze. And prop glycol is non-toxic, especially when compared to methanol, which damages nerve tissue at a pretty small dosage. Ethylene glycol is also toxic at low dosages. Prop glycol is more expensive than plain old water, but the advantages are clear.

It seems like a no-brainer to me. We got it cheap as a neighbor worked at a dairy where they used it a lot, she got 10 gallons at cost, like 40 or 50 dollars, it's worked well even since. I'll do the same out in Arizona once we get to implementing the liquid-based systems on that project.

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02 Aug 2009 05:58 PM
We use methanol in all of our systems.
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09 Aug 2009 12:09 PM
Methanol will be more corrosive on the pump. The food grade PG is safer but really, since it is a closed loop I can't see the concern. Also methanol is biodegradable as is the PG.
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08 Sep 2009 01:32 PM
Whatever antifreeze fits your budget works best, PG seems to be on the expensive side currently. Just keep in mind the percentage should be appropriate for your system, I see many installers providing much more antifreeze than necessary. For instance if your heat pump trips off at 25°F, why protect your fluid any lower? 13% PG will protect down to 25°F so why put 20-25% PG in the system? It just cost more all the way around.
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