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24 Jan 2014 03:03 PM
I found a website (sogoodtobuy.com) that supplies SENVILLE and SHINCO ductless mini-split heat pumps that use inverter technology and operate to -15c and -10c respectively.
The prices are considerably better than I have found so far with the Mitsubishi or Fujitsu units that offer heating to -25c; while I know that I will need to supply supplemental heat earlier and later in the season with either of these units vs the Mitsu/Fuj units....does the price difference make economic sense.
I mean does the cheaper unit (at $1399 for the Senville 18k unit delivered) save enough money (not spent on purchase) over its lifetime (say 10 years) to not even consider the more efficient but much more expensive Mitsubishi or Fujitsu units that heat to -25c.
Since the difference is only between providing heat between -15c and -25c (I don't know what percentage of a heating season that is for me Canada P9N0E7) but it would have to be significant. The Mitsu and Fujitso units are over $5000 here and must be installed by the retailer since none can be purchased cash and carry like the Senville.
Thanks in advance if anyone has a thought about this..
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24 Jan 2014 03:55 PM
Not familiar with them
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24 Jan 2014 04:29 PM
I a bit surprised that you can't just buy a Mitsubishi or Fujitsu and do a 95% DIY installation in your area? While some of the Chinese mini-splits offer OK performance in temperate climates, I'd be reluctant to install one in Kenora Ont.
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25 Jan 2014 10:08 PM
I wouldn't mess around with off-brand kit for heating in a cold Canadian climate.
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26 Jan 2014 01:13 PM
Most of my installer friends complain about call outs to homes with one off Chinese units. There is often no parts available as the importers may buy a container of them cheap and flog them. Company disappears when they are gone. Gree is one of the only ones, I think, that buck that trend.

Stick to a recognized brand where good service is more probable.

The same holds true for vacuum tube solar panels, most are too cheaply produced to be worth buying.
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30 Jan 2014 01:55 PM
Thanks for the replies.... I will stick with one of the big players (Mitsubishi/Fujitsu).... now to just get a reasonable price on those products...

I sometimes feel we are in a third world country when trying to get cutting edge technology for a reasonable price or for that matter finding a contractor who doesn't roll his eyes and say..."Never heard of that but I got a better idea,.....(fill in blank with whatever product he sells)......"
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30 Jan 2014 02:12 PM
Where's Kenora, again?
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30 Jan 2014 06:31 PM
Look at the Mitsubishi FE units like the MUZ-FE18NA, or the new upcomming MUZ-FH18NA(not sure of sizes yet) the new FH units will be up to 30.5 SEER and 13.5 HSPF compared to the current 26 SEER and 11 HSPF units. Not much info on the FH though from what i have seen but they are listed in AHRI.
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03 Feb 2014 05:14 PM
Posted By SkyHeating on 30 Jan 2014 06:31 PM
Look at the Mitsubishi FE units like the MUZ-FE18NA, or the new upcomming MUZ-FH18NA(not sure of sizes yet) the new FH units will be up to 30.5 SEER and 13.5 HSPF compared to the current 26 SEER and 11 HSPF units. Not much info on the FH though from what i have seen but they are listed in AHRI.

There is no -FH18NA, but there's an -FH15NA in the lineup.  They're 15-20% more efficient on the comparable sized models than the -FExxNA too, if the HSPF numbers are credible.  The lineup appears to be targeted directly at the Fujitsu -XLTH series.

They've announced the 2014 release of the M-series (of which the -FHxxNA are a subset), but I've yet to see one... (apparently they're being shown off at trade shows.)
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04 Feb 2014 09:28 AM
"I sometimes feel we are in a third world country when trying to get cutting edge technology for a reasonable price or for that matter finding a contractor who doesn't roll his eyes and say..."Never heard of that but I got a better idea,.....(fill in blank with whatever product he sells)......"

Cutting edge technology in HVAC is seldom immediately available for DIY apps as manufacturers like to train technicians to employ it correctly. For that training and semi exclusivity, the dealers who took the time to learn will command a higher price than the ones who didn't and the equipment of course will cost more than something off the rack.

The reason dealers suggest you get something available to them is so that parts are available to them.

Premium product + product support and part availability seldom comes without premium price. That said the products that are being mentioned that are pretty darned good are priced reasonably.
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05 Jun 2014 12:55 PM
I am now trying to get a quote for one of these FH... Live in Montreal. I'll let you guys know if I get any information, it was supposed to be out mid 2014, so we'll see.

In any way, I'm having it installed by a professional, so he is asking the distributor about these units because he never installed those.

Cheers!
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05 Jun 2014 03:10 PM
Posted By llaforest on 05 Jun 2014 12:55 PM
I am now trying to get a quote for one of these FH... Live in Montreal. I'll let you guys know if I get any information, it was supposed to be out mid 2014, so we'll see.

In any way, I'm having it installed by a professional, so he is asking the distributor about these units because he never installed those.

Cheers!
Laurence.

A local installer near me (Massachusetts) doesn't have a definite ship-date for receiving the -FH Mitsubishis from the distributor. In the past week or so  they were given firm wholesale pricing, so I expect they should be available in time to be installed by the end of the summer, if not sooner.
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09 Jun 2014 12:43 PM
FH units are now stocked at our Portland distributor so I can only assume they will move east quickly.
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09 Jun 2014 04:44 PM
If only these manufacturers would realize that they could offer an option to replace the indoor unit with a refrigerant to water heat exchanger and then compete with Daiken in the US (at much lower pricing).
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10 Jun 2014 10:47 AM
The problem with the air to water heat pumps currently is that in the absence of the tax credit they are not competitive with WTW geo. The end around used to be to add solar (which could easily jack system cost N of 20K in some applications) but the IRS now has eliminated auxiliary heat from "renewable" tax credits. While not specifically mentioned for solar to my knowledge the consumer should be very careful.
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23 Jun 2014 11:51 AM
FYI, I just installed the FH09NA plus have a FE12NA I installed last year. Had my installer special order it as warehouses want to sell off FE units first (they being discontinued). Inside unit a little longer with flat face, outside unit looks the same. It has a much improved remote that is 7 day programmable with up to 4 settings/day. Remote seems to work with my FE unit, not sure if with all functions.
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24 Jun 2014 01:05 PM
FH09NA

Can someone post a link to the specs on this please?

My searches are showing its a cooling only model...I think that's wrong!
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24 Jun 2014 05:36 PM
http://usa.mylinkdrive.com/uploads/...mittal.pdf

http://news.mehvac.com/Bulletin..._Guide.pdf


The -FH09 delivers 10,900 BTU/hr @ -15C, and about 8750 BTU/hr @ -25C, which is pretty good for a cooling-only model! 
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