driller vs installer piping
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26 Mar 2015 05:19 PM
I had a water well dug today. In the event it did not hit water, it was going to be a geothermal well. The driller asked who I was using for the geo installation. I gave him the two names I was considering. Both the names were recommended to me as companies who do good geothermal work. The driller, who is a family friend and has drilled a ton of geo wells in our area, winced and said the two I named are the only two out of dozens of installers he works for that "do their own piping". I asked him why that would be and he didn't have an answer, but he didn't hide his disdain nonetheless. If I understand correctly, he typical runs the ditches and lines from the vertical wells all the way to the house . Why would the HVAC installer do this instead? A reasonable answer would be to control all the variables they can. What am I missing? Is this what "run their own piping" even means? Should it cause me concern that the installers do this?
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27 Mar 2015 05:45 PM
It is really dependant on the area of the country i have heard, here in Oregon we install ALL of our own piping and loops(except vertical) but even if we do vertical drilling($27 per foot) we install the headers, make all the connections and flush and fill the systems.

Personally I think its better when a company does their own piping. Lets say you have an issue and its short looped, the driller and geothermal installer can point fingers at each other and nothing gets done. If one person does it all, they can only blame themselves if the system doesn't work right.
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27 Mar 2015 09:25 PM
as long as its right, it doesnt matter who does it. But....when I subcontract, I own the outcome.
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28 Mar 2015 12:56 PM
Posted By cnote75 on 26 Mar 2015 05:19 PM
Why would the HVAC installer do this instead?


There is a difference in my opinion between a HVAC company installing geothermal, and a company which does geothermal design and installation, and pretty much nothing else. I want to take the responsibility for the whole system, To give you an analogy: If you need heart surgery, do you go to a heart surgeon who does the procedure every day, or to a general surgeon, who after studying some plans probably could crack open your chest, make it to your heart and with some luck fix your coronaries?
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28 Mar 2015 01:58 PM
Around here, the main contractor (I guess that's what you mean by "installer")
does the Manual J load analysis and designs the system, specifies HP tonnage,
specifies loop length & type, circ pumps, etc. and does the indoor plumbing,
ductwork, electric -- but subcontracts the outdoor work (drilling, loop pipe
installation, headers, grouting, trenching, etc.) to an IGSHPA-certified loop
installer.

It's simply a matter of who owns the machinery and who has the expertise
and trained techs for each part of the job. It also minimizes the need for
coordination. Indoor and outdoor tasks can be scheduled independently.

One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions.
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28 Mar 2015 03:25 PM
Indoor and Outdoor always run independent for us, since one is somewhat weather dependent, and the inside depends on the complexity of the job, not every crewman has the same skills. w-w or w-a? From our perspective, there is very little equipment needed for the header, 85% is horizontal anyway, which we all do in-house. I just don't want to own a drill rigg, and my skills do not include drilling.
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