Hi, my name is Andrew Hobbs, President of Hobbs Building Systems. I developed and market the Hobbs Vertical ICF Wall System.
I am not here today to sell or self promote our system! Greenbuildingtalk.com is a great forum to share ideas, experiences and knowledge. However, as you can see by threads like “Vertical ICF” on this site the privilege this site offers can often times be abused with self promotion at the expense of others through “anonymity”. We have proved that a number of these malicious attacks are actually our competitors that obviously are threatened by our very existence!
I have asked our growing network of dealers and distributors to be “transparent” when participating in this type of forum and resist the temptation to become confrontational like so many do. We are a family owned business and I resent the fact that I must defend my name on the World Wide Web! What is the agenda and cost to these perpetrators for their comments?
My name is literally on the product and, as far as; I know we are the only ICF system where this is true. I feel compelled to set the record straight with the “truth” about some of the slanderous, inflammatory and naïve statements that are floating around this forum. For those of you that are contributing to this behavior I will let the participants decide which applies to you!
Here it is:
# 1: We are being sued by our competitor.
False! While TF Systems is similar at first glance anyone doing their homework will soon realize that our system is significantly unique to anything on the market. Our system speaks for itself if you take the time to review the information available to you on our website. The system is certainly not perfect and it’s not for everyone or every project! However, it does solve many problems that the industry has faced for +40 years! We have spent tens of thousands of dollars in due diligence to insure that we did not infringe on anyone’s intellectual property! As an inventor, I deplore anyone “stealing” someone’s ideas. The TF System appears to be a good system; however, in my humble opinion our system is the most innovative ICF available (by design) and we prove it!
#2: Quote on another thread: “As to other vertical systems, in my location where soil & frost pressures are important, a system like Hobbs with no horizontal reinforcement (other than the top and bottom) makes engineers run away very quickly”.
False! The Hobbs system has been physically tested by the Civil Engineering Department at Iowa State University to provide data on the “composite” strength of the entire systems comprised of the concrete, rebar and form. The testing data is available in our technical library on the website @
For example the graph on page 38 of the report shows that the system is actually nearly 50% stronger than just the concrete and rebar alone! We have not had a single instance where an independent engineer would not “certify” our design even in the most stringent locations in North America!
Concrete has very little tensile strength (flexural); therefore, it’s the vertical rebar that does the majority of the work under flexure from lateral loading such as backfill. Hobbs Vertical ICF is engineered on nearly every project. Our system typically is comprised of a horizontal rebar at the top and bottom beams and around openings. If, additional horizontal rebar was required by engineering there is an option for this. However, this “comment” is simply a naïve one with NO factual basis to support it!
#3: Hobbs doesn’t offer “Termite Proof” EPS!
True! We have the option to offer this additive. However, we have concerns for our customer’s sake! We haven’t tested this option and one of our suppliers recommends us not using this additive in our EPS panels. The additive is very in-expensive, however, it makes the EPS foam panels very brittle is the report that we get.
The Hobbs standard contour design inherently isolates the travel of termites on the outside panel to just a single panel section. They cannot travel horizontally because the furring assemblies cut off access. With a proper termite barrier on the top and/or bottom of the wall termites should not be able to have an easy path for travel within the system.
Lastly, I would like to apologize if anyone has not received the service that they expect or deserve. We do care about our customers! Please either personal message me on this site or contact me via the website so we can address any individual concerns.