Top plates - treated or not?
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07 Sep 2010 05:42 AM

Hi,

Do you use treated or untreated lumber for your top plates? 

If you use treated lumber, do you still use a sill gasket between the lumber and the concrete?

Thanks very much.

Andrew

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07 Sep 2010 11:14 AM
Where ever concrete is in contact with wood, treated is common practice for us. The sill is cheap insurance so why not.
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07 Sep 2010 01:03 PM
Thanks very much.
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09 Sep 2010 08:10 PM
The IRC code, 2000, 2003, 2006 say that once the wood is more than 8" off the ground, treated lumber is not necessary.

When you say top plates, I'll assume you mean top of an ICF wall, as you're in an ICF forum. Water doesn't wick vertically multiple stories!
Take Care<br>Jim<br><br>Design/Build/Consulting<br>"Not So Big" Design Proponent
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09 Sep 2010 09:35 PM

 

In areas subject to decay damage, the following locations shall require the use of an approved species and grade of lumber, pressure treated in accordance with American Wood-Preservers’ Association (AWPA) Standard C1, C2, C3, C4, C9, C15, C18, C22, C23, C24, C28, C31, C33, P1, P2 and P3, or decay-resistant heartwood of a naturally durable species.

  1. Wood joists or the bottom of a wood structural floor when closer than 18 inches or wood girders when closer than 12 inches to exposed ground in crawl spaces or unexcavated area located within the periphery of the building foundation.
  2. All wood framing members that rest on concrete or masonry exterior foundation walls and are less than 8 inches from exposed ground.
  3. Sills and sleepers on a concrete or masonry slab that is in direct contact with the ground unless separated from such slab by an impervious moisture barrier.
  4. The ends of wood girders entering exterior masonry or concrete walls having clearances of less than 0.5 inch on tops, sides and ends.
  5. Wood siding, sheathing and wall framing on the exterior of a building having a clearance of less than 6 inches from the ground.
  6. Wood structural members supporting moisture-permeable floors or roofs that are exposed to the weather, such as concrete or masonry slabs, unless separated from such floors or roofs by
    an impervious moisture barrier.
  7. Wood furring strips or other wood framing members attached directly to the interior of exterior masonry walls or concrete walls below grade except where an approved vapor retarder is applied between the wall and the furring strips or framing members
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10 Sep 2010 03:49 AM
Thanks very much for your help.
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13 Sep 2010 09:44 PM
Decay resistant is not required in Minnesota, if more than 8" from soil, but treated is not a bad idea. I just helped demo a building that must have been a hundred years old. Joist ran through the masonry wall a couple feet above grade, and while they were rotting, it was apparent they were rotting from the exterior, direct exposure, not from in contact with the mortar.
Treated lumber often twists and warps, try untreated with a barrier such as tar paper.
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14 Sep 2010 03:52 AM
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