bikecarry
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| 14 Aug 2014 04:58 PM |
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Does anyone have experience using Fox Bucks? I'm intrigued by the product for the thermal properties and lightweight material, but am concerned about stability during concrete pour even with bracing. Would love to hear from those who "have been there and done that">
If you have used Fox Bucks and choose not to anymore, can you let me know what your alternative is?
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Stuie
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| 14 Aug 2014 05:41 PM |
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Used the Fox bucks on all windows and doors. Taped and foamed them in place then braced with 2x6. Very happy with how it turned out. The only thing to be careful with is attaching windows and doors, most of mine were attached to the strapping on the outer face and then foamed. I did have two doors that had to be attached to the Fox buck, problem is there is only plastic every 8" so the vinyl doors I used had to use wood behind where the hinges are, now I think they have some steel plate that can be inserted behind the buck for support. Hope this makes sense.
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Stuie
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| 14 Aug 2014 05:50 PM |
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I have some pictures but can't seem to upload them |
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billnaegeli
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| 14 Aug 2014 07:33 PM |
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i have not used Fox Block bucks, but we do use Integraspec bucks, they were the first ICF company to introduce them into the market, over 10 years ago, most of the other blocks are starting to use them now though. we use them exclusively since they accomodate the window install,they eliminate any wood in the windows, we usually do not use them for doors. go to Integraspec website to see ALL the other applications you can do with the IntegraBuck, its more than just windows! |
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bikecarry
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| 14 Aug 2014 09:32 PM |
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Stuart,
Very helpful... did you use a preframed door? Was the issue attaching the door casing or did you actually try to screw the door hinge directly into the fox buck?
Also, did you notice any warping of the bucks after you poured?
YES PLEASE! Attach pictures...
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Brad |
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bikecarry
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| 14 Aug 2014 09:37 PM |
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Another option! The use of foam blocks for bracing the opening is interesting, but also very expensive? Plus, do the Integraspec bucks have attachment points that are easy to work with? Would love to see photos if possible.
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Brad |
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Lbear
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| 15 Aug 2014 12:20 AM |
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Posted By Stuie on 14 Aug 2014 05:41 PM
Used the Fox bucks on all windows and doors. Taped and foamed them in place then braced with 2x6. Very happy with how it turned out. The only thing to be careful with is attaching windows and doors, most of mine were attached to the strapping on the outer face and then foamed. I did have two doors that had to be attached to the Fox buck, problem is there is only plastic every 8" so the vinyl doors I used had to use wood behind where the hinges are, now I think they have some steel plate that can be inserted behind the buck for support. Hope this makes sense.
Stuart
Can one attach the doors and windows directly into the concrete with tap con screws? I like the idea of eliminating wood bucks but screwing a window into plastic ties is not as secure as securing into a wood frame buck. |
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Stuie
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bikecarry
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| 15 Aug 2014 09:31 PM |
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So helpful! It doesn't appear that you had to go overboard on the bracing. You mentioned that you foamed the window to the buck - why did you choose to do that instead of using ice & water shield ???
You're blog was stunning! You must be very proud of your hard work. The vinyl looking floor was a nice touch in the lower level... I assume that you used radiant floor heat as well.
All the best,
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Lbear
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| 16 Aug 2014 01:12 PM |
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Posted By Stuie on 15 Aug 2014 09:22 AM
 
Why did the architect do that "fake" gable end? In the one picture on the left it shows that the roof is flat but then they installed that gable end but it really is not needed. |
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Stuie
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| 16 Aug 2014 03:29 PM |
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  Lbear, the gable was added to the front so it would have the same "look" as my boathouse with an "eyebrow" across the front...(I know the roof pitches are different) Brad, what I meant was I filled the space between the window and the buck with spray foam. |
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Lbear
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| 16 Aug 2014 04:03 PM |
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Posted By Stuie on 16 Aug 2014 03:29 PM
Lbear, the gable was added to the front so it would have the same "look" as my boathouse with an "eyebrow" across the front...(I know the roof pitches are different)
Brad, what I meant was I filled the space between the window and the buck with spray foam.
I see. Now it makes sense. After you used spray foam between the window frame and ICF buck. Did you seal it with anything else (peel & stick tape)? Are those the special-made ICF electrical boxes? I last heard the company went out of business  |
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Stuie
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| 16 Aug 2014 04:30 PM |
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yes, some 6" peel and stick, and no, not special made boxes
http://www.ipexamerica.com/Content/Products/Product.aspx?ProductId=109&SubMarketId=17&MarketSegmentId=5
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Jelly
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| 17 Aug 2014 12:45 PM |
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Posted By Lbear on 15 Aug 2014 12:20 AM
Can one attach the doors and windows directly into the concrete with tap con screws?...
Wouldn't something like an expansion bolt/wedge anchor be preferred to a Tap-con? |
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Alton
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| 17 Aug 2014 05:53 PM |
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My guess is that Tapcon screws and/or bolts would cost less than expansion bolt/wedge anchors. Anyone priced both lately? Tapcons have good holding ability. |
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emmetbrick
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| 25 Aug 2014 09:15 AM |
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Fox Blocks are great. The Fox Buck has continuous fastening along the exterior and interior edges that would work for doors and windows with brick mold or a nail fin type fastening system. |
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Travel
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| 08 Oct 2014 05:57 AM |
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We have used fox buck for several houses some of the homes with 8' high doors (heavy) switched back to wood because of doors not staying in place do to the plastic strips not holding up. I suppose you could add metal plates but when doing ICF over and over again you need to find better and more efficient ways of building with ICF |
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FBBP
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| 08 Oct 2014 05:48 PM |
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Travel - after placing and securing the doors, did they get foamed in place with a high end foam product like Dow's Ener-Bond Foam? |
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