lawyermom61
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| 18 Aug 2010 03:40 PM |
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We have an addition with SIPs panels for walls and roof. We have been happy with the construction and the efficiency. We recently added a pool to the area just outside the addition and would like to move a window and widen a door. Other than the usual issues (locating electrical, etc.), is it possible to make these sorts of changes to an existing SIP? If so, how do you "plug the holes"? Couldn't find anything about this on the existing forums. Any advise is much appreciated! |
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Green1
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| 18 Aug 2010 09:17 PM |
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We have done this many times, You plug the holes with SIP panels cut outs over lap with steel strips and lamanate with sealer & screws ..
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JeffD
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| 19 Aug 2010 01:52 PM |
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lawyermom61,
These changes can be made quite easily. I am assuming wood panels.
First remove the window and any finishes. Then carefully cut out the new opening so as to not damage the cut out piece. At the new wall opening, route out your foam on the three sides to accept new 2x lumber blocking and install the new blocking. Then nail 2x splines to the face of the original blocking at the original opening to equal the edges of the cut out piece to be installed. Then route out the three edges of the cut out piece to accept the nailed in splines. Then add sealant adhesive to all spline edges and slide in the cut out piece and nail the perimeter edges of that piece at the splines.
If it is a particularly wide window say over 4'-0" or series of windows, a new header will be needed and this will complicate the work necessary.
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lawyermom61
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| 20 Aug 2010 04:11 PM |
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Thanks for the help! Makes sense, just couldn't find any specifics and thought it worth checking to be sure. I'll let ya'll know how it goes.
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The Sipper
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| 21 Aug 2010 06:37 PM |
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JeffD Are you implying that this type of modification would be easier with OSB skinned SIPs than with metal skinned SIPs?
No contentiousness intended here, just looking for clarification.
This issue comes up from time to time where a client or contractor thinks that it would be more difficult to make a modification such as this on a SIP structure than with standard "sticK" construction.
Of course we know that that isn't the case, but, as with any construction related issue, you just have to know what you're doing.
(And, yes, we only sell, and build with, OSB SIPs, so far) |
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JeffD
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| 22 Aug 2010 01:04 PM |
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The Sipper,
For the record, I want everyone to know I am passionate about SIPs in general and I am particularly fond of metal SIPs, but I will never intentionally state nonfactual information about (bad mouth) another product including OSB SIPs.
To answer your question. In my opinion, making changes to metal or wood SIPs in general is easier than making changes a conventionally built structure because one does not have to open up the bottom and top of the wall in order to add framing. Now, is it easier to modify a metal SIP structure than a wood SIP structure? In my opinion they are about the same.
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lawyermom61
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| 26 Aug 2010 11:44 AM |
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Turns out we WILL need to put in a new header since I am replacing a single 3' door with a double sliding door. Any special advice? In stick framing, you would normally have the 2x4s studs that go on the outside of the actual door frame and run shoe to ceiling plate. What's the procedure for the sips wall. Also, we have a vaulted SIPs ceiling. Seems tricky.............. |
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Jere
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| 26 Aug 2010 12:53 PM |
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Posted By JeffD on 22 Aug 2010 01:04 PM
The Sipper,
For the record, I want everyone to know I am passionate about SIPs in general and I am particularly fond of metal SIPs, but I will never intentionally state nonfactual information about (bad mouth) another product including OSB SIPs.
To answer your question. In my opinion, making changes to metal or wood SIPs in general is easier than making changes a conventionally built structure because one does not have to open up the bottom and top of the wall in order to add framing. Now, is it easier to modify a metal SIP structure than a wood SIP structure? In my opinion they are about the same.
What if the change involves a point load from the roof, either being moved or added in the SIPS wall? The comment that one does not have to open up the bottom and top of wall in order to add framing... at what stage of construction are you referring to? In a conventionally framed house, adding framing isn't difficult and I don't see how the bottom or top of wall would have to be opened up? Why do these threads always end up, this product is better than that product, or easier than, or cheaper than? I don't believe this was the question the original poster asked... |
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| 26 Aug 2010 03:04 PM |
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Jere,
I think you are correct in that this thread may have gone beyond the original posting. But in cases where learning is involved, sometimes it is helpful for a thread to include additional information although it may consist simply of an opinion. Unfortunately, in the construction industry there are very few absolutes. Additional information and opinions will often lead to other areas that need to be explored in order for the subject to be placed in context. I would not want to discourage more depth provided it is not a blatant attempt to sell. |
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| 26 Aug 2010 06:17 PM |
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Posted By Jere on 26 Aug 2010 12:53 PM
What if the change involves a point load from the roof, either being moved or added in the SIPS wall?
a good reason why its not good to give structural advice on the forum, the poster said they were relocating an opening, then we find out the opening size is doubling in width and we don't know if there are any point loads. Lawyermom should consult with an engineer for an on site inspection and not guess at it |
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Alton
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| 26 Aug 2010 06:50 PM |
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Right on, Chris |
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The Sipper
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| 29 Aug 2010 07:05 PM |
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Thanks for the reply, JeffD, and, for the record, I wasn't accusing you of anything untoward. I will admit, however, that I trying to take advantage of your opening statement in the post that I was replying to, where you said that: assuming that these were wood (OSB) SIPs, such a modification would be easy. (or words to that effect.) Given that statement, It seems to me that it would be logical to conclude that this type of a modification might be more difficult to do with metal skinned SIPs. Really not a big deal, just a little fun on a lazy Sunday afternoon. |
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Jelly
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| 29 Aug 2010 10:03 PM |
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So, The Sipper, you're admitting to just stirring the pot for no good reason about something you know nothing about. Brilliant, what a marvelous contribution to the forum. |
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The Sipper
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| 07 Sep 2010 05:58 PM |
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So, Jelly, you got it all wrong. I had a VERY good reason for making the comments that I did. I was pointing out the fact that it might be simpler to perform an alteration, such as the one being discussed, on a home built with OSB skin panels than with metal skin panels. There was no rancor, or contentiousness, intended in my comments. BTW. I DO know just a LITTLE bit about building with SIPs. Sorry if I upset you. |
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Jelly
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| 07 Sep 2010 07:12 PM |
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But you don't know about building with metal SIPs, or at least you said previously you only build with OSB SIPs.
I think it's important to promote better building for the average consumer. All of the infighting between OSB versus metal is counter-productive and just turns the layperson off.
Why not work together toward a better future? Peace and love man, peace and love... |
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The Sipper
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| 14 Sep 2010 11:20 AM |
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I just don't see how my comments should be considered as "in fighting" One of the regular contributors on this site is constantly extolling the virtues of metal skinned SIPs, once even posting a chart with negative comments about OSB SIPs. I've not done that, I just made a simple statement, actually as a follow up to another poster's comments. I'm all for peace, and love, man, all for peace and love, sorry if my comments upset you. |
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Jelly
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| 14 Sep 2010 12:01 PM |
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The Sipper
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| 21 Sep 2010 02:00 AM |
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Kumbaya, friend, Kumbaya.................. |
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