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Paul Auerbach
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| 07 Mar 2009 10:00 PM |
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What the heck were they thinking? The price fixing/collusion thing came out of the blue. You are correct that I was referring to working together in some way - be it advertising, setting up educational forums about geo - whatever. Nuf said on that...
We're always on the lookout for professionals who understand geo. Yes, our focus is installation and we strive to make each install completely trouble free - but that's not always the case (although we can honestly say once our systems are up and running they are unlikely to require service).
If service is your thrust, we should talk because we have installations in your trading area that at some point may require service and we like to have trusted HVAC techs to dispatch.
Paul Auerbach
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Total Green LLC
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Bill Neukranz
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| 07 Mar 2009 10:10 PM |
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Much appreciate the responses on earth surface area needed to install DX (not GX, sorry). I'm impressed - i.e., 12' circle for a 5 ton system. That gets into so many properties that water loop (horizontal or vertical) can't.
I would thus think that the market opportunities for urban sized properties would be huge for DX, here in TX for sure, where it's mostly clay being drilled through (versus rocks), and probably elsewhere.
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Paul Auerbach
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| 07 Mar 2009 10:20 PM |
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Bill,
DX geo can be drilled in even smaller footprints. Take a look at the animation here and you'll see what I mean. http://www.totalgreenintl.com/geoanima1.asp
We've put fields in under parking lots, driveways and tight spaces. We just need to be able to get the drill rig in place.
Good luck in Texas - BTW did you know the former Prez has a geo installation at the Ranch in Crawford.
Paul
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squatch
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| 07 Mar 2009 10:34 PM |
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As far as the acid soil question goes our soil here is a little acid.
As well as the well water. It did pass the lab test without
sacrificials. My horizontal coil has been in the ground since '93 with
no problems so far. The funny thing is we have very little copper water
pipe. Just enough to brace shower heads ect. But we were getting green
stains in the shower. A neighbor explained it's from the soil as they
have them with no copper at all. Sure enough around here all the soft
brown rock(that's a technical description) is flecked with green copper
ore!
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joe.ami
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| 08 Mar 2009 10:01 AM |
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One other fine point on the footprint Bill, the small diameter prints are for diagonal drilling only. Clark touched on the fact that straight drilling requires a larger surface foot print.
Soil plays a huge factor. In our area with a lot of damp or drysand and gravel, diagonal machines are not very popular.
You should also know that diagonal drilling would make for a smaller footprint in watersource as well. the greater the depth and distance from the epicenter, the greater the spread between individual loops.
As someone else mentioned, you also don't want to undermine the neighbors. So a 20' X 15' sideyard on a lake lot for instance may not accomodate this set-up.
Paul mentioned systems under parking lots and that is one of the benefits of boring with either type of system. Higher mean temperatures make verticals less dependant on solar gain or frost lines, so it's a good way to go if you are going to cover it up.
j
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Paul Auerbach
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| 29 Apr 2010 02:44 PM |
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We use Earthlinked and Advanced Geo and have had much success with either system. But as everyone on this forum knows, the equipment is less important than the folks who design, engineer and install 'em.
Paul Auerbach
Total Green Geothermal
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DXpowerhouse
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| 29 Apr 2010 03:06 PM |
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Question for Paul, what equipment has the 5.0 cop that your website states?
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DXPowerHouseII
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| 30 Apr 2010 02:29 PM |
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i would also like to see the ARI numbers on that 5.0 C.O.P.... |
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joe.ami
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| 02 May 2010 12:12 PM |
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Posted By Paul Auerbach on 29 Apr 2010 02:44 PM
We use Earthlinked and Advanced Geo and have had much success with either system. But as everyone on this forum knows, the equipment is less important than the folks who design, engineer and install 'em.
Paul Auerbach
Total Green Geothermal
www.TotalGreenUS.com
Since you brought this back up 13 months later, I too would like to know the parameters for your achievement of 5 COP. j |
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Joe Hardin
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www.doityourselfgeothermal.com
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DXpowerhouse
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| 03 May 2010 07:33 AM |
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For some reason I do not think we are going to see a response or any proof of those incredibly high COP numbers..... |
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Paul Auerbach
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| 15 May 2010 12:10 AM |
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I would have responded sooner but I haven't checked in for a few weeks.
The 5.0 COP achieved is real world - NOT ARI. One system we've tested for some reason achieves very high COP and I'm happy to share the proprietary data with any professional on this forum. Contact us personally through the Total Green Website. In addition, ECS is testing various DX boxes and will publish their results later this year. They show COP exceeding 4.0 for a number of manufacturer's equipment. Apparently, there are situations where COP is higher than the norm and has to do with constancy of ground temp - and wet conditions. With DX we routinely see between 4.0 and 4.3 COP. No water pump makes a huge difference.
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greenjack
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| 15 May 2010 11:49 AM |
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All the property around Lake George... where I am... is granite... just a few feet down...
Tell me all about GEO... in a situation like this
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joe.ami
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| 15 May 2010 05:40 PM |
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Posted By Paul Auerbach on 15 May 2010 12:10 AM
The 5.0 COP achieved is real world - NOT ARI. Average COP for a season? or peak? A 5 COP spike is not that unusual. J |
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Joe Hardin
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adkjacUpstateNY
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| 15 May 2010 05:57 PM |
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Would some pro splain to me my granite bedrock situation?
Can GEO be done and what effect on COP and install cost?
Thank you
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adkjacUpstateNY
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| 15 May 2010 05:58 PM |
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Are there ground temp maps?
my zip code is 12845 |
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joe.ami
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| 15 May 2010 09:13 PM |
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You can drill loops into granite; worth the investment? Don't know, ask a local pro for an estimate and op cost projections...
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Joe Hardin
www.amicontracting.com
We Dig Comfort!
www.doityourselfgeothermal.com
Dig Your Own Comfort! |
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adkjacUpstateNY
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| 17 May 2010 10:31 PM |
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All the pros in here and not one can tell me about COP, cost and all to go GEO in Granite?????????????????? |
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Palace Geothermal
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| 17 May 2010 11:49 PM |
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COP = 9.95486
Cost = $1.4523
Happy Now ??????????????????? |
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adkjacUpstateNY
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| 18 May 2010 07:29 AM |
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Geodean.... you're answer to me means no GEO expert here knows what effect drilling into granite has on the COP of a DX unit... the effect on the drilling cost... and overall install cost of say a 3 ton unit???????????
I may have to get into GEO just to get some real transparency out to the world.
Anyone in the business willing to share costs and real world COP's that include all electric being used including pumps, fans, anything and all that is the heat system.
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adkjacUpstateNY
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| 18 May 2010 07:31 AM |
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Total Green Paul... talk to me about doing DX in granite bedrock. |
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