3000lb mix a 3 or 4 slump. Some pumpers won't pump less than a 4.

Pouring a 12' tall wall at one time isn't really a great idea...usually at the most a vertical drop of 10' is the most a lot of contractors I know will pour. The pressure of the concrete will be a lot higher and greatly increases the chances of blow outs. The frost wall should be poured first with something on the knobs to prevent concrete from filling them and then stack your foundation walls on top. As for the monolithic pour for walls and footings, there is a new system called "Fab-Form Fast Foot" that not only facilitates the mono-pour easily, but also acts as a vapour barrier between your footing and the ground below. That's the one area that is always overlooked - people will spend great amounts of time and money waterproofing the wall itself, only to leave the footing directly on the ground allowing moisture to wick up through the wall - albeit just a little but none the less.

Your pouring the concrete into the footing first and you don't pour the 12' of wall in one pass. The reason for not pouring concrete with a big drop is segregation. Most step footing jobs are a result of a walk out basement. You pour the door and window areas after the footing has been poured then proceed to the main wall areas. I would like to see the Fab-Form system do a mono-pour with a step footing for $1.60 per lin ft for a 20" footing. I have used the Fab-Form material a couple of times but not the mono-pour system. I wonder what you do for bracing.

If Crude Oil stays in the $30 to $40 range long enough, profits for the manufactures of ICF products will expand, or will some of the cost savings be passed off to the consumers of the product?

Price Check Please....

The raw material cost of EPS beads is only a small percentage of the total selling price of the ICF. There is a ton of regulatory costs associated with EPS manufacturing as well as all the cost of complying with building codes and other administrative costs. In addition, most ICFs in north America are made by contract manufacturers and they take their piece as well. Sorry for the not-so-great news. ;-)

Naphtha price follows oil like a little brother.

Naphtha has traded in the $900 to $800 per Tonne range for some years now.

Future contracts are now trading in the $399 range ...... that's one heck of a reversal.

To say price would not be affected is a bit bias don't you think?

http://www.quotenet.com/commodities/naphtha

I can assure you throughout the supply chain, they have renegotiated prices.

Pentane is the actual product that eps bead is made from. Prices should be down since last year there was a shortage of pentane supplies regardless of price. Mono pour baby it's the only way to build !

Posted By smartwall on 27 Aug 2015 01:51 PM
  Mono pour baby it's the only way to build !

agree!!!

Anyone purchase Nudura blocks that will post a price? I have a call in to a rep, but curious to see what others are paying in real life.

I know I'm late here but I will chirp in anyway. I sell Fox but beyond that I have no bias. Whatever form you use, site conditions usually dictate the number of pours for us. Depending on your ground and how it was excavated makes a difference if you pour the walls all at once or if you pour the frostwall first. When possible I like to pour the frostwall and then let the excavator get everything backfilled so we are at grade for the floor. I try to pour out of the truck when doing this not to incur another pump cost. It can be tough to work around the excavation or tough to backfill after the walls are up. You can email me to discuss your options if you like. Good luck

Nudura was priced to me at "around $4.95 per sq. ft." then the push to use Amvic came in.

Allegany,
When competitive pricing is a consumer mystery and oligopoly marketing is used like in the ICF manufacturing world today and the past a monopoly flourishes. That is why the use of ICF hasn't taken off like any of us would have though or hoped given the common sense it makes to build more efficiently. It is like the health food in the snack machine costing more than the candy. It makes no sense until you look back over the history of the ICF industry itself.

No one wants you to know the absurd cost of ICF compared to the low price of production since a price competition can lead to price wars, meaning less profit to the manufacturers, and oligopolists usually prefer to compete on the basis of product differentiation,advertising, and service (Sound familiar? Even here in what is supposed to be an independent forum?) because it is to the profit of the suppliers and manufacturers instead of you and me. Sure, there are other things that add to cost but the last time I checked styrofoam/EPS was a byproduct/waste product of petroleum refinement and very inexpensive. The way I see it, ICF construction should be incentivized to the point of paying us to use/safely dispose of this product that would otherwise end up in a landfill after being used as a coffee cup.
Please prove me wrong and each manufacturer's Rep that monitors and markets on this site provide Allageny and the rest of us with exact production cost of your brand of ICF.
FOR THOSE THAT HAVENT FIGURED IT OUT YET - there is really no significant difference between any of the various brands of ICF when it comes to actual installation or performance, assuming they meet the regulatory requirements. Like wine, they are all good, some are just better than others. Now availability, shipping, and support are a factor but shouldn't prevent the sharing of pricing information or cost of production.

For 6" core Nudura they priced me for 2,000+ sq. ft. of wall area and assuming (10) inside or outside corners at $3.65 sq. ft.

Whoever priced you at $4.95 a sq. ft. was attempting you rip you off. If they would take the middle man out of the picture it could be selling for $2.50 to $3.00 a sq. ft.

Remember that ICF is shipped in large trucks for efficiency. Price is dependent on many factors and can vary from project to project and based on location and local distributer resources.

I understand about shipping cost.

If I can price shop Nudura, I will. I have the resources to go pick it up anywhere.

The problem as I see it is I have to go through two middlemen from what I can see. The lumber yard and the distributor.

Coming in late again as usual. Here is what I tell my customers or would be customers. All of the local ICF guys are within pennies of each other, find the guy you want to work with and pull the trigger. There is so much more to an ICF build than just the cost of the block. Get a guy who cares, returns your calls and shows up at your site. This is your home, you can cut corners on carpet or drapery but don't on your foundation or structure. Ask about bracing, if you need it. How much $? For how long ? How much bracing can the rep supply ? How is it delivered ? Do I need equipment to get it unloaded and loaded again. Is it clean and serviceable ? Will the rep work with all my subs through out the process? Once you buy you guys are married to the project. Good luck.

New on here, does anybody have a price for 1x 6 inch nudara block. I am just doing a bit of home work for a large build.

Posted By Washouit007 on 27 Sep 2017 10:45 AM
New on here, does anybody have a price for 1x 6 inch nudara block. I am just doing a bit of home work for a large build.

You will have to contact your local dealer for this info. If you don't know your local dealer, contact the manufacturer directly and they will get you contact info. The trouble with asking for cost on a site like this is you are asking people from all over North America (maybe further?). Any rep posting can only provide costs for their area - this may differ from costs in your area due to freight, etc. Although this forum is not great for pricing, it is a great resource to get technical info/installation instructions, due to the wide variety of people/experiences available!

Thank you for your reply, yes i understand your reply. We have already used nudara on one build and was planning on using it again but unfortunately is getting a bit expensive, i was just trying to find out if its me or if its is getting expensive.

Wachouit007, I would suggest that you contact NUDURA directly...wonderful system we build it every day. 000-000-0000 I think is the corporate toll free number. Also, I am in agreement with emmetbrick and ICFBdr that you want the local support for your project all the way through the build, use an industry approved wall alignment system, and this site is not for pricing! Many variables exist in pricing all products that are manufactured and distributed.