JohnCarl;

your back peddling is entertaining, the association with Bill is a matter of public record and can be veiwed by all on http://www.sunbiz.org/corinam.html  and people can formulate their own opinion.

 I have an adverse reaction to threats, I don't care if your sister is the attorney general!

Apology? not after you called me dude.

I will not take the photos down, in fact as soon as I can locate the repair pics I will post those as well.
Furthermore if you like; I can introduce the homeowners to this forum so they can express their opinions as well.



PS: Please don't call our office asking for panel quotes anymore, we have no desire to do business with you.

Look Dude:

I have made absolutely no threats whatsoever.  I stated I cover my 6 for liability reasons.  I have not back peddled regarding anything.  I have tried peacefully to end this bad blood, but you seem to wish to stir the pot up.

I will not respond to any more of your comical behavior.  You are not the only SIP distributor in the state.

Take Care Dude....

SeaGlade

Thank you for your support....As you can see this craziness has gotten out of hand.  I have noticed on most boards there is someone who hides behind their computer and bashes everyone and everything because they dare to disagree with them.

Thanks again...

JohnCarl

SeaGlade and johncarl     now thats a match made in heaven.

Seaglade supports a panel company thats going out of business and johncarl is affiliated with one that already went

I appreciate cmkavala exposing you guys

Just curious why are you objecting to the photos if you have nothing to do with the home?

Chris:

Mr. Bill passed away and is gone.  Obviously he is not faultless like the rest of us.  We have all made our fair share of mistakes.  He has also paid retribution for his previous mistakes as a PE.

Even though I was not aware of this situation, I still have pleasant memories of him.  If it were not for him I would not be trying to be successful in the SIP Business.  I think of the pain that these exchanges would cause Mr. Bill's widow, and family if they were to catch wind of this situation.

I do not pass judgement, It is written HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. 

Been folowing these posts the last few days about this Bill fellow and seems he got himself in a real pickle.

Sounds like no stone throwing needed, but mistakes come with consequences even if we are sorry for them. God rest his soul he is in a better place and without the stress of this world anymore.

Can we please get back on track with the thread or start a new topic "engineers that have messed up" -------its probably not a short story either

AMEN!

If you are looking at thermasteel panels, have you looked at AcTech Panels? I have dealt with many SIP comanies in the past and I know Fischer SIPS have been a player in the market for a while. And I know that ThermaSteel has never received high blessings from several engineer friends. But I also have never received any horror stories or anything like that .... but its good you come to these forums for research. I can answer some of your questions about steel sips. Whats your basic understanding?

Actech is going out of business and in deep financial trouble

Thermasteel panels are a great panel system. They are a Pre-Insulated Steel Framing (PISF) member not a SIP. SIP’s use their exterior skin (OSB board) as their structural member. Pre-Insulated Steel Framing members use their imbedded steel studs as their structural member. There are a lot of companies around that are PISF’s and not SIP’s. I think it time that Green Building Talk sets up a new forum name for this type of system. This would stop a lot of confusion between the two types of systems. It’s like trying to say that an ICF is the same as a SIP.

David

Kwik-Build Panels

Yes it is...AcTech being acquired has been talked about for the last 2 years. But nothing ever happened, and now we know why.
My company is now in the search and interview process for another SIP supplier.
If anybody has any good references, throw them my way.

Well maybe I should have done more research about ThermaSteel before I made a comment. You have a great point about separating the 2 because it can eliminate confusion.
good post!

Structall Building Systems have great product and will be around for many more years to come.

Check the residential section for models of home availble in packages.

Eddie;

I always liked their interlock but they fall short, using G-90 galvanized instead of galvalume.

They also charge more for the Perform-Guard foam.

Unless things have changed?

JeffD;

 

24 ft. is typical as it is the size of the billets, however it is a continuous line and the panel testing & engineering supports the spliced core, I will say they are so tight its hard to find them.
the splices are at random, there is no way to pick and choose where they will be or is it necessary
maximum total skin length is dictated by the trailer length 53ft.
it is possible to go longer if they can be hauled

A good question is:
 does Structall's engineering allow a spliced core without additional support?

MUSA was doing that without engineering to support it

Eddie;

I am using a panel called "Shadowline" it is made and privately labeled for ww.SipSupplyInc.com we also have an interest in.

We used ThermaSteel panels and everything has turned out awful. They were not properly designed to our houseplans and we have had nothing but misery ever since. I would never recommend this product to anyone. The distributor we used turned out to obviously be a crook as we were told he is serving time in prison. Needless to say the corporate did nothing to help us resolve our issues. Our house leaks everytime it rains and I am scared to death if we ever get hit with a bad storm. I think it will go with the wind. We have found out they didn't use the bolts they were suppose to and they didn't level panels before installing them in place. The people our distributor used to put our panels up were not properly trained and the company would not help us.  We had a contract with the local distributor in Miss. to install the panels and they got the crew not us. It seems that corporate didn't do engineered drawings as was required and what we paid for but  that they let the local distributor do them on his home computer and they accepted that without our approval and nearly 90% of the panels are wrong. Our water walls with water pipes were to be 5 inches and they came in like 3"  or 2 and 1/2" whatever they call them and therefore all our plumbing was wrong all the way across the house. In two rooms where my ceilings were 12 ft. the panels came in on three walls twelve foot but the other wall was 10 ft. We had to build up those walls. Kind of destroys the insulation factor you are going for in our opinion. The list goes on and on with what is wrong and nothing has been done. We are currently in ongoing litigation.  Consider all angles before using them in our opinion.
Did you use them and if so what has been your experience.