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EJH
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| 04/10/2008 6:26 PM |
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| Great forum!
I am looking for GHP resources in the Philadelphia region. I am interested in feasibility evaluations for 6 buildings ranging from a single family home to a 23-unit apartment building.
My first concern is finding someone qualified and conscientious enough to do good load calcs. Beyond that, I can GC or sub the jobs complete. Designers? Installers? Drillers? Buildings are located 20 minutes west of Philadelphia in a built out area (vertical drilling).
Can anyone point me toward experienced, quality-oriented people?
Thanks for any referrals. I can be reached at: eh5373 at verizon dot net.
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geodean
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| 04/10/2008 7:28 PM |
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I don't know any of these guys, but here is a list
| David Powell |
Edward Powell Pump & Well Drilling |
17-B Mount Pleasant Dr. |
Aston |
PA |
19014 |
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610-459-1098 |
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| Michael Caiazzo |
Caiazzo's Heating & A/C |
PO Box 658 |
Bangor |
PA |
18013 |
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610-588-8790 |
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| Michael Nakonechny |
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127 Pheasant Circle |
Barto |
PA |
19504 |
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610-754-7704 |
niknaknuk@aol.com |
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| Kenneth Kerr |
Kellco Construction |
PO Box 423 |
Bartonsville |
PA |
18321 |
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570-629-3134 |
maxie@enter.net |
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| Jason Kocher |
Kocher's Water Pumps & Tanks, Inc. |
2786 W. Beersville Rd. |
Bath |
PA |
18014 |
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610-837-8226 |
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www.jakekocher.com |
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| Randy Wyllie |
Innovative Building & Design, Inc. |
471 Distillery Hill Rd. |
Benton |
PA |
17814 |
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570-925-2077 |
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| Jeremey Dugan |
Pennswood Village |
1216 Oriole Dr. |
Besalem |
PA |
19020 |
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215-519-2173 |
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| Adrian Orner |
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PO Box 311 |
Blanchard |
PA |
16826 |
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570-962-6419 |
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| Raymond Harbaugh, II |
Harbaugh's HVAC/Refrigeration, Inc. |
PO Box 458 |
Blue Ridge Summit |
PA |
17214 |
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717-794-2556 |
rch2@embarqmail.com |
www.harbaughshvac.com |
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| John Rainey |
Powell Drilling & Services, Inc. |
4051 Naaman's Creek Rd. |
Boothwyn |
PA |
19061 |
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610-485-6794 |
osprey4051@msn.com |
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| Craig Geier |
Geirs Air Works |
2907 Bancroft Ave. |
Bristol |
PA |
19007 |
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215-826-0865 |
thegeiergang@comcast.net |
www.geiersairworks.com |
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| Thomas Spall |
T. E. Spall & Son, Inc. |
58 Hospital St. |
Carbondale |
PA |
18407 |
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570-282-3000 |
mailbox@thecomfortdoctors.com |
www.thecomfortdoctors.com |
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| Robert Berkhimer |
G. F. Bowman, Inc. |
201 W. Penn Ave. |
Cleona |
PA |
17042 |
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717-278-8519 |
bberkhimer@gfbowman.com |
www.gfbowman.com |
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| Bradley Bowman |
G. F. Bowman, Inc. |
201 W. Penn Ave. |
Cleona |
PA |
17042 |
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717-273-8519 |
bdbowman@gfbowman.com |
www.gfbowman.com |
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| Mike Filer |
Tri-County Rural Electric Coop., Inc. |
16 Damascas Rd. |
Coudersport |
PA |
16915 |
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814-274-8740 |
mikef@ctenterprises.org |
www.ctenterprises.org |
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| Todd Dillan |
Dillan Well Drilling, Inc. |
3540 Darlington Rd. |
Darlington |
PA |
16115 |
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724-827-2990 |
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| Gene Cope, Jr. |
Dillan Well Drilling, Inc. |
3540 Darlington Rd. |
Darlington |
PA |
16115 |
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724-827-2990 |
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| Fred Martin |
Sensenig & Weaver Well Drilling |
1439 Dry Tavern Rd. |
Denver |
PA |
17517 |
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717-445-5573 |
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| Michael Rash |
Morrison, Inc. |
63 Gambers Corner Rd. |
Duncannon |
PA |
17020 |
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717-834-5667 |
rmorr20911@aol.com |
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| Paul Moser, Jr. |
Mayer's Well Drill |
1100 Soffa Rd. |
East Greenville |
PA |
18041 |
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215-679-8621 |
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| Kenneth Kerstner |
Kerstner Well & Pump Svc. |
3787 Fleetwood Dr. |
Easton |
PA |
18045 |
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610-252-5155 |
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| William Reith |
Reith Brothers, Inc. |
5719 Emmaus Rd. |
Emmaus |
PA |
18049 |
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610-965-5692 |
reithbros@aol.com |
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| Frank Reith |
Reith Brothers, Inc. |
5719 Emmaus Rd. |
Emmaus |
PA |
18049 |
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610-965-5692 |
reithbros@aol.com |
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| Mark Reith |
Reith Brothers, Inc. |
5719 Emmaus Rd. |
Emmaus |
PA |
18049 |
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610-965-5692 |
reithbros@aol.com |
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| Paul Wallhofer |
Reith Brothers, Inc. |
5719 Emmaus Rd. |
Emmaus |
PA |
18049 |
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610-965-5692 |
reithbros@aol.com |
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| Stanley Egan |
Willis Ide & Son |
145 Lincoln St. |
Exeter |
PA |
18643 |
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570-477-2493 |
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| Owen Rosensteel |
Rosensteel Sheet Metal |
63 Mile Trail |
Fairfield |
PA |
17320 |
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717-642-5038 |
dorosensteel@earthlink.net |
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| Randall Alexander |
Alexander's Well Drilling |
PO Box 443 |
Fairfield |
PA |
17320 |
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717-642-5963 |
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| Dustin Alexander |
Alexander's Well Drilling |
PO Box 443 |
Fairfield |
PA |
17320 |
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717-642-5963 |
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| Robert Immel |
B. L. Myers Brothers of PA, Inc. |
PO Box 490 |
Glenmoore |
PA |
19343 |
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610-942-2030 |
bimmel@comcast.net |
www.blmyers.com |
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| William Winder |
Sunburst Energy Systems, Inc. |
3 Limekiln Pike |
Glenside |
PA |
19038 |
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215-886-0860 |
billyboilerroom@aol.com |
www.sunburstenergy.com |
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| Christopher Vinal |
Sunburst Energy Systems, Inc. |
3 Limekiln Pike |
Glenside |
PA |
19038 |
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215-886-0884 |
cvinal@sunburstenergy.com |
www.sunburstenergy.com |
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| Jeff Elston |
Sunburst Energy Systems, Inc. |
3 Limekiln Pike |
Glenside |
PA |
19038 |
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215-886-0884 |
jelston@sunburstenergy.com |
www.sunburstenergy.com |
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| Carl Bastian |
B & B Geothermal Energy, Inc. |
PO Box 196 |
Gwynedd |
PA |
19436 |
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877-699-5192 |
cbastian@bbde.com |
www.bbgeothermal.com |
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| Jeffrey Fitser |
B & R Construction Services, Inc. |
7045 Blue Ridge Ave. |
Harrisburg |
PA |
17112 |
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717-652-3059 |
jtfscf@aol.com |
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| Ned Wehler |
Arm Group, Inc. |
1129 W. Governor Rd., Box 797 |
Hershey |
PA |
17033 |
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717-533-8600 |
nwehler@armgroup.net |
www.armgroup.net |
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| Michael Gallelli |
Gallelli Mechanical |
144 Rocksville Rd. |
Holland |
PA |
18966 |
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215-752-3106 |
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| Robert Budd |
Budd's Plumbing & HVAC |
23 Fortenia Heights |
Honesdale |
PA |
18431 |
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570-253-4640 |
rdbudd@echoes.net |
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| Daniel Hardy |
Daniel L. Hardy Heating & A/C Contractor |
146 Cherry Run Rd. |
Howard |
PA |
16841 |
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570-726-4430 |
dhardyhvac@earthlink.net |
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| Douglas Ide |
Willis Ide & Son |
129 Croop Rd. |
Hunlock Creek |
PA |
18621 |
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570-477-2493 |
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| Philip Rooke |
Geothermal Environment LLC |
131 Arrowhead Lane |
Irwin |
PA |
15642 |
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724-382-1503 |
info@geothermalenvironment.com |
www.geothermalenvironment.com |
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| William Sinton |
Sinton A/C & Heating, Inc. |
PO Box 1011 |
Kennett Square |
PA |
19348 |
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610-444-6002 |
william.r.sinton@sintonair.com |
www.sintonair.com |
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| Scott Lehman |
Sinton A/C & Heating, Inc. |
PO Box 1011 |
Kennett Square |
PA |
19348 |
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610-444-6002 |
scott.lehman@sintonair.com |
www.sintonair.com |
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| John Eckhart |
J & J HVAC & Refrigeration |
319 W. Ridge St. |
Lansford |
PA |
18235 |
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570-645-9980 |
jjhvac@ptd.net |
www.jjhvac.com |
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| David Wetzel |
Eichelbergers, Inc. |
107 Texaco Rd. |
Mechanicsburg |
PA |
17055 |
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717-766-4800 |
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www.eichelbergers.com |
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| Toby Kessler |
Gilmore & Assoc. |
350 E. Butler Ave. |
New Britain |
PA |
18901 |
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215-345-4330 |
tkessler@gilmore-assoc.com |
www.gilmore-assoc.com |
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| Elmer Stewart, Jr. |
Stewart Well Drilling |
781 Dean Rd. |
New Castle |
PA |
16101 |
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724-658-4488 |
stewartwelldrilling@comcast.net |
www.stewartwelldrilling.com |
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| John Hagan, III |
Hagan Home Building Group |
6484 Middleton Ln. |
New Hope |
PA |
18938 |
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215-378-2001 |
jhaganiii@yahoo.com |
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| Neil Negley |
Negley's Well Drilling, Inc. |
16199 Cumberland Hwy. |
Newburg |
PA |
17240 |
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717-532-9190 |
negleys@negleys.net |
www.negleys.net |
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| Dustin Negley |
Negley's Well Drilling, Inc. |
16199 Cumberland Hwy. |
Newburg |
PA |
17240 |
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717-532-9190 |
dustin@negleys.net |
www.negleys.net |
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| Andrew Brletrick |
Kupetz's Plumbing & Heating |
4517 Crawford Ave.. |
Northern Cambria |
PA |
15714 |
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814-948-6460 |
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| Gary Eschenburg |
Ground Source Contractors, Inc. |
1418 School House Rd. |
Perkasie |
PA |
18944 |
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215-257-4797 |
gary@gscgeo.com |
www.gscgeo.com |
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| Justin Eschenburg |
Ground Source Contractors, Inc. |
1418 School House Rd. |
Perkasie |
PA |
18944 |
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215-453-1170 |
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| Lee Smith |
W F Smith, Inc. |
7310 State Rd. |
Philadelphia |
PA |
19136 |
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215-624-1313 |
wfsmithinc@msn.com |
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| Jeffrey Ford |
Allegheny Mountain Water Systems |
3733 Rt. 155 |
Port Allegany |
PA |
16743 |
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814-642-9283 |
amws@verizon.net |
www.amwswater.com |
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| Lora Ford |
Allegheny Mountain Water Systems |
3733 Rt. 155 |
Port Allegany |
PA |
16743 |
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814-642-9283 |
amws@verizon.net |
www.amwswater.com |
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| Robert Nobel |
RJN Contracting, Inc. |
496 Covered Bridge Rd. |
Quakertown |
PA |
15642 |
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724-382-1503 |
info@geothermalenvironment.com |
www.geothermalenvironment.com |
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| Christopher Myers |
Myers Brothers Well Drilling |
54 Holland St. |
Salunga |
PA |
17538 |
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717-898-2321 |
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| Darwin Burtner |
Western Pennsylvania Geothermal Heating & Cooling, Inc. |
725 Saxonburg Blvd., Ste. 4 Ivy Wood Village |
Saxonburg |
PA |
16056 |
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724-352-3113 |
darwin@wpghci.com |
www.wpghci.com |
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| Steven Eaton |
S J Eaton Plumbing & Heating |
485 Penns Dr. |
Selinsgrove |
PA |
17870 |
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570-374-0652 |
masteaton@aol.com |
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| Lon Bergey |
Bergey's Heating & Cooling |
1605 Old Rt. 309 |
Sellersville |
PA |
18960 |
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215-257-7050 |
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| William Bergey |
Bergey's Heating & Cooling Ltd. |
1605 Old Rt. 309 |
Sellersville |
PA |
18960 |
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215-257-7050 |
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www.bhcltd.com |
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| John Zdon |
Bergey's Heating & Cooling Ltd. |
1605 Old Rt. 309 |
Sellersville |
PA |
18960 |
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215-257-7050 |
info@bhcltd.com |
www.bhcltd.com |
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| Stoney Rice |
Affiliated Energy Products, Inc. - Geothermal |
9550 Somerset Pike, Ste.100 |
Somerset |
PA |
15501 |
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814-443-6796 |
stoney@aepcor.com |
www.aepcor.com |
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| Dave Feyock |
Somerset Rural Electric Co-op, Inc. |
PO Box 270 |
Somerset |
PA |
15501 |
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814-445-4106 x246 |
dfeyock@somersetrec.com |
www.somersetrec.com |
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| Jan Anthony |
Jan V. Anthony, Inc. |
1021 Delaum Rd. |
St. Marys |
PA |
15857 |
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814-834-3231 |
jvai@alltel.net |
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| Calvin Pierce |
Calvin D. Pierce Heating & Cooling |
536 Brittany Dr. |
State College |
PA |
16803 |
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814-234-8366 |
clvnhvac@msn.com |
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| Dean Hilliard |
A C & R. Services, Inc. |
217 Turkey Path Rd. |
Sugarloaf |
PA |
18249 |
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570-788-2427 |
hilliardd@acrsvc.com |
www.acrsvc.com |
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| Daniel Burkhart |
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4387 W. Mountain View Dr. |
Walnutport |
PA |
18088 |
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610-767-6513 |
dh1052002@yahoo.com |
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| Russell Buehler |
F E Buehler & Son, Inc. |
1303 Easton Rd. |
Warrington |
PA |
18976 |
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215-343-0550 |
febulrinc@aol.com |
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| Jesse Crouse |
J. W. Crouse, Inc. |
306 Beechwood Rd. |
West Chester |
PA |
19382 |
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610-430-3618 |
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jwcincps@comcast.net |
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| Scott Carlisle |
S. A. Carlisle HVAC, Inc. |
3023 N. 2nd St. |
Whitehall |
PA |
18052 |
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610-266-0796 |
sacarlislehvac@rcn.com |
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| David Hepler |
Hepler Air, Inc. |
1715 Clarion Dr. |
Williamsport |
PA |
17701 |
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570-323-3335 |
daddus1@comcast.net |
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| David Harnish |
J. K. Mechanical |
202 W. Kendig Rd. |
Willow Street |
PA |
17584 |
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717-464-0111 |
dharnish@jkmechanical.com |
www.jkmechanical.com |
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Dewayne Dean
PalaceGeothermal.com
Why settle for 90% when you can have 400%
We heat and cool with dirt! |
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tuffluckdriller
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Posts:343
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| 04/11/2008 1:56 AM |
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For EarthLinked DX, you could try
Harry Morgan
harry@comfort-tech.net
Tel: 610-406-3673
Fax: 610-944-3049
23 Valley View Ct.
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Clark Timothy
VP sales, Tuff Luck Geothermal Drilling
Geothermal, Heating and Cooling that's Dirt Cheap! |
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TechGromit
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| 04/11/2008 7:59 AM |
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916 Elwood Rd
Hammonton, NJ 08037 Map
These are the guys I use in my area and recommend, but they only do Open Loop systems. they are also a smaller outfit, anything residential fine, but I'm not so sure about an apartment building. |
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fsq4cw
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| 04/11/2008 10:39 AM |
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With all due respect to the other posters, I believe their information is erroneous!
NB: - PLEASE NOTE WELL!!
If you are planning a 23-unit apartment building - you need to hire a IGSHPA ‘Certified GeoExchange Designer’ (of which the is only one in Pennsylvania ) – NOT an accredited geothermal installer! (Sorry guys)
Here’s his link:
http://www.harbaughshvac.com/certified_geoexchange_designer.htm
Caveat Emptor!
IMO
SR
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tuffluckdriller
Registered Users
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| 04/11/2008 12:00 PM |
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Let me just point out that IGSHPA is not required for EarthLinked DX geothermal systems. That does not mean you shouldn't involve an engineer. I agree that it should be designed properly, but it's not rocket science, like IGSHPA makes it seem to be. At least, EarthLinked DX isn't.
Because of the pre-engineered loop design, an IGSHPA 'certified geoexchange designer' is somewhat a useless title/occupation when it comes to EarthLinked DX. I'm pretty sure that's why IGSHPA doesn't want to acknowledge that EarthLinked DX (or any type of DX) geoexchange works, and is a better, viable option for most any home. |
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Clark Timothy
VP sales, Tuff Luck Geothermal Drilling
Geothermal, Heating and Cooling that's Dirt Cheap! |
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geodean
Registered Users
Posts:426
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| 04/11/2008 5:21 PM |
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Posted By fsq4cw on 04/11/2008 10:39 AM
If you are planning a 23-unit apartment building - you need to hire a IGSHPA ‘Certified GeoExchange Designer’ (of which the is only one in Pennsylvania )
I am sorry to say but this is simply not true. I have installed geothermal systems on over 30 schools and commercial buildings that have been designed by mechanical engineers who are not and never will be IGSHPA CDGs.
While it is true that certified installers may not be qualified to design a commercial building, to say that only one person in the state is qualified is a real disservice to someone seeking advice.
I have been to the IGSHPA classes and the curriculum is sorely lacking. A person could be a CGD and still not be qualifed to do a well designed system.
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Dewayne Dean
PalaceGeothermal.com
Why settle for 90% when you can have 400%
We heat and cool with dirt! |
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fsq4cw
Registered Users
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| 04/11/2008 10:59 PM |
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Re geodean:
Your earlier post’s reference is to IGSHPA accredited installers. As you have said, “I have been to the IGSHPA classes and the curriculum is sorely lacking.” This is precisely why an IGSHPA accredited installer may have insufficient knowledge to design and install a GSHP system for a 23-unit apartment building. The difference, hence value, between an IGSHPA accredited installer and an IGSHPA Certified GeoExchange Designer is like the difference between a high school diploma and a university degree. I say this in comparative terms only, not to diminish in any way the importance or value of the IGSHPA accredited installer.
I will concede that one could hire a mechanical engineering firm. Personally, for a project that size, I would recommend seeking out one that specializes in commercial, institutional and industrial geothermal design – with a serious pedigree.
Re tuffluck:
While I am a big proponent of DX in residential and small commercial applications, it may not be the best choice in a project such as a 23-unit apartment building, which may be borderline in terms of size and scope . Yes it could work - but it may also be fraught with risk. What software would you use to model the effects on the ground ten years out?
Greater efficiency and long term reliability would most probably be best achieved with a properly designed liquid ground loop – properly modeled with an ‘in-situ’ test borehole to determine definitively ground conductivity and other properties if vertical ground loops were to be used.
The point of my suggestions is to ameliorate risk; I respect and enjoy yours as well.
SR
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