Residential Zoning Systems
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11 Sep 2009 11:48 AM
After doing mainly large commercial work we're now getting into some larger residential projects.  I'm looking for some input on residential zoning systems.  In the past I've stayed away from them thinking they were problematic.  I'd now like to give them some more consideration.  I'm wondering if anyone can provide input on brands and how they interface with a two stage heat pumps and ECM fan motors.  I once heard someone say that a bypass is not needed with an ECM motor.  I'm not sure I believe it.  I also question whether the bypass should be a barometric damper or a motorized damper.

Any input would be appreciated.
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11 Sep 2009 01:48 PM
Check into www.arzelzoning.com
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Bypass still needed in some circumstances even with ECM. Key element is not variable CFM but airflow to smallest zone. The only system I know of that avoids a bypass is Carrier's Infinity (Air Source). It slightly opens non-calling zones to dump the excess air.

All two stage systems using Copeland 2 stage compressors only drop 30% of system capacity in the lower stage. In other words a 4 ton drops to 3. If a small zone has just a ton or so of load and ductwork to accommodate just a ton or so of air, if that zone alone calls, there will be significant extra air and capacity. Fixes include:

1) Avoid small zones

2) reducing ECM CFM setpoints. This can help with dehu in cooling mode but can lead to evaporator icing and a loss of EER. In heating mode higher than desirable head pressures can result as well as reduced COP

3a) Use a return bypass. This essentially causes some of the air to pass through the blower twice or more. The ECM thinks it is moving the right CFM per ton but some air is recirculated from supply to return. Overdone this leads to the same issues as in #1

3b) Use a dump zone. If there is a 2 story entry, great room, or big stairwell, dump extra air into it.

4) Upsize ductwork in smaller zones so it can take a bit more air than Manual D suggests. Overdone, short-cycling results along with uncomfortable amounts of air in small zones.

Some combination of the above should yield a good system in most circumstances.



My reading and limited experience suggest barometric dampers work fine for residential tonnages and static pressures. Motorized are called for in bigger higher pressure apps.
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