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BenMiller
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| 12/25/2007 2:25 AM |
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I've posted numerous questions on the ICF and SIP forums during my house construction, I wondered if any of you know what I should do with this.
We've had a real crappy December here in Iowa, and it's kept my roofer from being able to install my steel roof. He finally showed up last week and spread my steel around to ready it for installation. (I've already paid for it as part of the material deposit). He was able to put up one piece but it was rainy/wet so they left for the day. That was last Thursday. It's Tuesday now and this is what my site looks like.
Yes, that's the one piece of tin torn most of the way off, and the rest of my tin scattered around the yard under snow and ice.
Will this tin still be the investment I understood it to be? Should I allow it to be installed? Do you guys have any suggestions?
I am considering asking my roofer to bring the McElroy Metal rep out to see if they will warranty their product still. If they'll put it in writing, I'll have it installed.
Ben
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eric monkman
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| 12/25/2007 6:05 PM |
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Hi Ben : Your house is looking good. Bet your basement is the warmest room in the house. LOL.
As your roofer has started your project and cashed your cheque, he is responsible for damages during the install.
His tough luck he didn't protect the materials from damage.
It is your responsibilty to pay him when he's done. ( Make sure to hold back 10% for 30 days to enable deficiencies to be levered)
Give him a call so he can order the replacement sheet pronto.
Winter came in like a lion here too. Tough for all trades. |
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Eric Moldenhauer
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| 12/26/2007 12:42 AM |
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Ben,
Who would scatter material around like that??? I don't do home repair/remodeling for a living, but, I spent 2 hours with a professional roofer/sider/window/door tech during a partial re-side of my house. A year later I resided 2 sides of my house after an F-2 tornado's severe damage path came within 400 ft of my home (Hail damage to siding...90-95% destroyed). I sided 2 sides of an 18 X 85 home in 22 hours, including removal/re-install of a 10 X 16 free-standing deck and pick-up of scrap material. Then, I re-sided 2 sides of my neihbor's house in 20 hours, including pick-up, and stopping several times for rain. I never even had a notion to toss material around the yard, and knew better...we regularly get winds capable of tumbling/throwing large objects. The product I hung went straight from the packaging to the house, not in the dirt.
Me? Well...can I recommend that you ask the metal rep about having this non-planning, careless jerk sub the work to someone who can do a bit more than just walk on (2) feet? I'm not anti-Neandertal. After-all, they did bring several contributions to the modern age, and they did it with great pride (in their skills). No pride in what happened to you.
Trust me, if I were in your shoes my contractor wouldn't think twice about doing it right (from the start), and would be advised of the cost of ill-thought activities. No telling names, but, I wouldn't recommend them for a shoe-shine. This guy's bad news. If he cared, he wouldn't have done this...with anybody's materials, regardless of who's paying for it. Not to mention the potential loss of time and additional expense to you.
Sorry for the bad after-taste that upgrading has left with you. Good luck. |
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Chris Johnson
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| 12/26/2007 12:56 AM |
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| Poor, poor workmanship, very poor work mentality, a tradesman who just doesn't care. No matter what the weather a site should never be left like that, time for a sit down and talk with the sub. |
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
Napa, CA
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OldGaArchitect
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| 01/03/2008 1:20 PM |
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Ben:
Sorry to see your construction site in such disarray. There is absolutely no reason to scatter your roof panels around to "ready it for installation." As Eric mentioned, it should have remained in the packaging until it was being installed. If there were any chance of inclimate weather, he should never have begun the work.
You are right on track getting the McElroy representative involved. Installing any material according to manufacturer's recommendations should be your minimum requirement. As you suggest, the rep should determine whether this material should actually be installed and, more importantly, whether they will warrant it. The manufacturer will also have specific requirements for storing and protecting the material until its installed.
You might also ask your installer if he's ever seen a copy of a SMACNA manual (Sheet Metal and Air Conditioning Contractors National Association - www.smacna.org). It is the industry's "Bible" for fabricating and installing just about anything made of sheet metal. It will cover not only the metal panels, but the installation clips and methods, flashing, gutters/downspouts, drips - - everything involved for a complete, correct, weather-tight installation.
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BenMiller
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| 01/03/2008 10:06 PM |
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The McElroy Metals rep said he was too busy to come to my site, and that I needed to meet with my installer to go over which panels I thought were damaged. While that's not at all the outcome I was hoping for, I need to keep this moving. I met with the installer this week and we discarded 11 sheets. Time will tell if I made the right decision.
Ben
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wes
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| 01/22/2008 8:20 PM |
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Ben,
Those panels appear to McElroy Max-Rib. Are they Max-Rib Ultra? or one of the other Max-rib panels. There are I believe 4 levels of these panels, with varing warranties. The Ultra may be the best exposed fastener panel on the market, and will probably handle this exposure without any problems. I am quiet supprised at the reps' disreguard for your request. A call to his superiors might be in order. |
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Wes Shelby
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BenMiller
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| 01/22/2008 10:20 PM |
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Wes,
The installer finished up my steel roof last week. I believe it is the Max-Rib Ultra panel. I wasn't concerned about the exposure to moisture/snow/ice as much as I was worried about the abuse of getting blown across my yard.
Without the aid of the McElroy Metal's rep I was left with going over the panels with my installer myself. If I knew how to make a judgement call like that, I wouldn't be hiring someone else to install my roof. So, if I saw a scratch, I asked that the panel be set aside and not installed on my roof. The contractor was wise to agree, and we set aside 11 of the 40 panels. His crew completed the job in 3 days, one of which had temps top out at about 15 degrees. His work was nothing I would recommend, but at least he is sticking to his price, and not charging me for the telescoping lift he rented for 2 days.
Would I use a metal roof in the future? ....... Let me get back to you in 10 years or so, long enough for the memory of this to fade... but not my panels.
Oh, the McElroy Metal rep I talked to was the superior. He covers 9 states since his area rep for Iowa quit in October.
Ben
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walltech
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| 01/22/2008 10:36 PM |
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Ben, congrads are in order and you have done a fine job with your home. You will be pleased with the choices you have made for many years to come.
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eric monkman
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| 01/23/2008 12:29 AM |
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| Nice work Ben . She' a beaut.! |
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