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10/12/2008 8:30 PM  
Hello everyone new guy here.  I am in the planning stages of building a ICF home.  I am going for energy efficiency everything.  However I am getting my wires crossed on what avenue to go with regard to gas or all electric.  I was going to get a marathon water heater but I REALLY want gas for my stove and I don't know which for my heat pump.  SO, which would be a better more cost effective plan both from an initial purchase/install price and long term?

1)  Gas Tankless water heater, gas furnace with air source heat pump and gas appliances

OR

2)  Electric water heater, electric furnace with air source heat pump and electric appliances. 

I am leaning towards # 1 because then I could look at getting the entire rest of my house on solar/wind at some point and would have 3 fewer major items to power. 

If any of you have any feedback as to whicvh path to take and the reason behind your opinion I would be very grateful.

Thanks and have a good day.

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10/13/2008 7:13 AM  
Posted By tlhfirelion on 10/12/2008 8:30 PM
Hello everyone new guy here.  I am in the planning stages of building a ICF home.  I am going for energy efficiency everything.  However I am getting my wires crossed on what avenue to go with regard to gas or all electric.  I was going to get a marathon water heater but I REALLY want gas for my stove and I don't know which for my heat pump.  SO, which would be a better more cost effective plan both from an initial purchase/install price and long term?

Where are you building? And, please consider Super Insulating(and no, ICF's are not Super Insulating), it will lower all of your Heating & Cooling costs.

....jc
If you're not building with OSB SIPS(or ICF's), why are you building?
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10/14/2008 4:43 PM  
You'll need to bring in electric service anyway; do you have gas service on site?  If not, check the cost to connect -- that might make the decision for you.

Very respectfully,
Larry
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10/15/2008 1:54 PM  
Posted By PanelCrafters on 10/13/2008 7:13 AM
Posted By tlhfirelion on 10/12/2008 8:30 PM
Hello everyone new guy here.  I am in the planning stages of building a ICF home.  I am going for energy efficiency everything.  However I am getting my wires crossed on what avenue to go with regard to gas or all electric.  I was going to get a marathon water heater but I REALLY want gas for my stove and I don't know which for my heat pump.  SO, which would be a better more cost effective plan both from an initial purchase/install price and long term?

Where are you building? And, please consider Super Insulating(and no, ICF's are not Super Insulating), it will lower all of your Heating & Cooling costs.

I live in tornado alley so I'm going with icfs; sips are not on the table. 

Did you have any feedback on my question?

Thank you.
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10/15/2008 1:55 PM  
Posted By ReadyToRetire on 10/14/2008 4:43 PM
You'll need to bring in electric service anyway; do you have gas service on site?  If not, check the cost to connect -- that might make the decision for you.

Very respectfully,
Larry

Good reply thank you.  I had not even thought about that and it was staring me in the face the whole time.  :)  Thanks again.
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10/15/2008 4:51 PM  
Posted By tlhfirelion on 10/15/2008 1:54 PM
Posted By PanelCrafters on 10/13/2008 7:13 AM
Posted By tlhfirelion on 10/12/2008 8:30 PM
Hello everyone new guy here.  I am in the planning stages of building a ICF home.  I am going for energy efficiency everything.  However I am getting my wires crossed on what avenue to go with regard to gas or all electric.  I was going to get a marathon water heater but I REALLY want gas for my stove and I don't know which for my heat pump.  SO, which would be a better more cost effective plan both from an initial purchase/install price and long term?

Where are you building? And, please consider Super Insulating(and no, ICF's are not Super Insulating), it will lower all of your Heating & Cooling costs.

I live in tornado alley so I'm going with icfs; sips are not on the table. 

Did you have any feedback on my question?


Did I mention SIPS? I mentioned Super Insulating. And, you can Super Insulate with any product, even sticks.

If you reduce your Heating and Cooling loads, it gives you more options, and lower costs for the life of the structure. You can, gasp, bring ICF's up to Super Insulating.

....jc
If you're not building with OSB SIPS(or ICF's), why are you building?
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10/16/2008 8:44 PM  
You will also want to look at the difference in your homeowner's insurance if you have a live gas connection into your home.  It can be substantial.

If you are looking for energy efficiency, a gas cooktop releases A LOT of heat into a home which has to be cooled in hot weather months.  In contrast, a conductive electric cooktop doesn't release much heat into the household envelope.

I'm going to go with all electric for the reasons stated. 

Gas connection cost around here is relatively minor, plus a $100 mandatory deposit.  I will probably pay to have gas to my outdoor kitchen as a backup cooking source during power outages. 

regards,
Grant
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10/17/2008 10:02 AM  
Posted By GWhittleAL on 10/16/2008 8:44 PM
You will also want to look at the difference in your homeowner's insurance if you have a live gas connection into your home.  It can be substantial.

If you are looking for energy efficiency, a gas cooktop releases A LOT of heat into a home which has to be cooled in hot weather months.  In contrast, a conductive electric cooktop doesn't release much heat into the household envelope.

I'm going to go with all electric for the reasons stated. 

Gas connection cost around here is relatively minor, plus a $100 mandatory deposit.  I will probably pay to have gas to my outdoor kitchen as a backup cooking source during power outages. 

regards,
Grant

Good reply, thank you.  I think the more I read and the more replies I get from this and a few other websites, it looks as though I will be doing 2 things. 

1)  Not having gas and going all electric instead.

2)  Not using SIP's at all.  :)

Thank you GW for answering my questions and not pushing your products like others on this board. 

Have a great day.
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10/17/2008 11:52 AM  
I'm just another prospective green home builder with no products to sell into this market. In other words, I'm here to learn and not to "fish."

I've been a little less than amused by the "back and forth" between the SIP manufacturers in this forum.

I'm considering using the AllWall System or the TF System "vertical panel" ICF for my walls. As far as the roof goes, however, my best solution still seems to be steel SIPS. I plan on finishing my attic and want cathedral ceilings, to which SIPs lend themselves well. Because I will have a wrap around porch, I do like that I won't need to finish the porch ceilings and that the steel SIPs will reduce the required framing as well. And quite frankly, I'm biased against OSB, and don't trust its longevity, so steel SIPs seem to be my best option.

I am a bit disappointed that building codes will probably require me to sheetrock the ceilings in my attic. I would have been more than satisfied with the look of the steel SIP panel for my attic ceilings. It is just going to be my grandkids' playroom and their guest bedrooms anyway!

I'm not "married" to a steel SIP roof, but so far I haven't found a more durable and appropriate solution fo rmy needs.

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10/17/2008 2:42 PM  

GWhittleAL,

You may not have to use sheetrock in the attic over steel SIPS if you use metal conduit for the electrical lines.  ACTechpanels.com have been used for walls and ceiling without sheetrock in areas subject to the code.


Alton C. Keown
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10/17/2008 3:40 PM  
This is good news...

Does it require "metal conduit" or is plastic conduit for the electrical lines likewise acceptable?
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10/17/2008 3:58 PM  
Check with your local code official about using metal or plastic conduit.  Ultimately, it is up to them.  Before you decide on this be sure to look at some commercial projects to see if it meets your taste.

Alton C. Keown
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10/17/2008 4:33 PM  
Posted By GWhittleAL on 10/17/2008 11:52 AM
I'm just another prospective green home builder with no products to sell into this market. In other words, I'm here to learn and not to "fish."

I've been a little less than amused by the "back and forth" between the SIP manufacturers in this forum.




I agree.  I've been doing a lot of searching and reading on here and I've noticed that pattern with some members.  If I went to a car lot and told the dealer I am looking for a commuter car that gets great gas mileage and he starts showing me dually pickups with a V-10 in them, he's wasting his time and mine.  I didn't come here asking for a pickup, if I wanted a pickup I would of asked to see one.  I end up wasting time hearing about the truck and then telling him I don't want a truck I want a economical car.  It may be a great truck, but it's not what I asked about.

The same goes on this website.  I'm not looking to cause problems but I don't care to waste my time reading or replying to posts that don't deal with my question at all.  It's flippin irritating is all. 

Thankfully most members on here are not that way and I guess I just have to wade thru the salesmen. 
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10/17/2008 4:57 PM  
Ckavala has posted some pics of the steel SIP surfaces in past threads, and for my "attic" living area I can gladly live with it for the cost savings. In fact, I kind of like the "Beyond the Box" look and feel of it. (That is one of my favorite shows on HGTV...)

I'll have a more formal and traditional parlor and dining room, a high-end kitchen area with cork floors, and a den and breakfast nook with soaring 20 foot ceilings and a balcony across the middle. My second floor will have our master suite and an office with attached full bath.

The only people to ever use the attic will be temporary guests and grandkids. I'm already planning on having the floor above the balcony bridge be industrial grate material so that the air flows up from the 20' ceilings below, up into the attic and from there into the belvdere and out the cupola.

The attic will be a bit industrial modern in its design anyway... a significant contrast from the more traditional main living area below. But somewhat tied together by the "modern design" feel of 2 stories of glass garage doors opening out to the south facing 2 stories of solarium porches.

The basement will eventually be finished as well with a beach inspired game room and kitchen opening to the pool patio (another glass garage door), and with an Asian Spa themed bathroom and guest bedroom in the basement as well.

This house is going to be a carefully blended hodge-podge of architectural and interior decorating styles that reflects the various sides of "us." My architect has been quite excited about our ideas.

If I had my druthers I'd further blend the classic southern architecture meets modern eco-friendly design by having a less traditional siding on the exterior walls. But I don't think my neighborhood Architectural Review Committee will let me go that far .
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10/17/2008 5:04 PM  
Posted By GWhittleAL on 10/17/2008 4:57 PM
Ckavala has posted some pics of the steel SIP surfaces in past threads, and for my "attic" living area I can gladly live with it for the cost savings. In fact, I kind of like the "Beyond the Box" look and feel of it. (That is one of my favorite shows on HGTV...)

I'll have a more formal and traditional parlor and dining room, a high-end kitchen area with cork floors, and a den and breakfast nook with soaring 20 foot ceilings and a balcony across the middle. My second floor will have our master suite and an office with attached full bath.

The only people to ever use the attic will be temporary guests and grandkids. I'm already planning on having the floor above the balcony bridge be industrial grate material so that the air flows up from the 20' ceilings below, up into the attic and from there into the belvdere and out the cupola.

The attic will be a bit industrial modern in its design anyway... a significant contrast from the more traditional main living area below. But somewhat tied together by the "modern design" feel of 2 stories of glass garage doors opening out to the south facing 2 stories of solarium porches.

The basement will eventually be finished as well with a beach inspired game room and kitchen opening to the pool patio (another glass garage door), and with an Asian Spa themed bathroom and guest bedroom in the basement as well.

This house is going to be a carefully blended hodge-podge of architectural and interior decorating styles that reflects the various sides of "us." My architect has been quite excited about our ideas.

If I had my druthers I'd further blend the classic southern architecture meets modern eco-friendly design by having a less traditional siding on the exterior walls. But I don't think my neighborhood Architectural Review Committee will let me go that far .

that sounds like a really nice house!
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10/17/2008 5:34 PM  

Thanks...

Here is a photoshop modifed approximation of what the house will look like.  I created this image by modifying the house that inspired me.  The interior floorplan is more modern and quite different than this original house, but the exterior look will be similar to this.






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10/17/2008 6:52 PM  
Posted By tlhfirelion on 10/17/2008 4:33 PM
I agree.  I've been doing a lot of searching and reading on here and I've noticed that pattern with some members.  If I went to a car lot and told the dealer I am looking for a commuter car that gets great gas mileage and he starts showing me dually pickups with a V-10 in them, he's wasting his time and mine.  I didn't come here asking for a pickup, if I wanted a pickup I would of asked to see one.  I end up wasting time hearing about the truck and then telling him I don't want a truck I want a economical car.  It may be a great truck, but it's not what I asked about.

The same goes on this website.  I'm not looking to cause problems but I don't care to waste my time reading or replying to posts that don't deal with my question at all.  It's flippin irritating is all.

Mr. Irritated emailed me this:

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Hello. You replied to one of my threads about ICF homes with the suggestion of sips. As I've been researching this site I've come across a lot of your replies that have one theme in common. You don't really answer the question you just push SIPS. My question had nothing to do with sips, and you posted that I should use them and didn't even answer the initial question. If I wanted info on sips I'd ask. It's irritating when you just push a product and don't bother to actually help with what was asked. It takes away from my thread having to answer your replies instead of focusing on what I asked to begin with. Please don't reply to any more of my threads unless you intend to actually answer the question. I'm not interested in a sales pitch.

If you went to a car lot and told the salesman that you wanted a commuter car that gets great gas mileage and all he did was push a ford F-350 dually with a V-10 that gets 10 mpg's, what would your reaction be? While that vehicle might be a good one it's not what you asked about is it? It's a waste of your his time and yours. The same applies here.
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1st of all I never mentioned SIPS, and I wasn't trying to sell you anything. Apparently, your ability to read and comprehend are impaired. I spent my own time to reply to your post, and provided a valid point in which to think. Then you send me this email, and accuse me of 'pushing' a product, and tell me that I should not respond unless I can supply an answer that appeases you. Not only that, but I'm 'Distracting from your thread'.

It's obvious that you think everyone who contributes to this forum is in some way your personal servant. I don't appreciate your false assertions and I certainly don't take orders from you.

Please show some respect and try to come to the realization that the members who post here don't do it just for your benefit.

....jc
If you're not building with OSB SIPS(or ICF's), why are you building?
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10/17/2008 7:10 PM  

Hello,

I saw that you are about to build an ICF house. Energy efficient and sustainable talking, i would recommend you to built the entire house with ICF walls and an insulated inclined concrete roof system, so you full house is energy efficient and hurricane proof.

Regards,

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10/17/2008 7:49 PM  
Thank you to those of you that offered help with my question, it was greatly appreciated.  I will not be reading or replying to this thread anymore, it' s been contaminated.  Hopefully a mod will lock it and let that be that, I've made my point and offered my thanks.  Have a great day!
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10/17/2008 8:30 PM  

The front of the house will face north.  I intend to have window wells in the north basement wall heavily shaded by landscape plants.

The belvedere should act like a solar chimney and cause hot air to rise and exit the open cupola.  I will mount a weather vane on top of the cupola to identify prevailing wind directions.  This way I can only open the windows that will encourage airflow out of the house.  With all other windows and doors in the house closed, the replacement air should be pulled into the basement through the much cooler north side window wells.  The air entering these windows will go through a HEPA filter before entering living space.  The basement room this air enters will likely be equipped with an energy efficient dehumidifier.  [I hope they will someday commercialize the solar recharged dessicant dehumidifying water fall used in the University of Maryland's Solar Home.  Such a dessicant waterfall would be ideal for this room.]

I am hoping that with cool air entering the basement and hot air rising that it will not only passively cool my house but also help passively dehumidify my house as well.  Antebellum architects relied on this solar chimney effect to passively cool and dry southern homes.  The rising and exiting hot air holds more moisture than the entering cooler air.  The net effect was supposed to be a reduction in indoor humidity as compared to outside.

The house has an open airflow path along the center of the house from the north main stairwell through to the south and all the way up to the cupola.

During the winter, I can close off the doors separating the north part of the house from the south part of the house on the 1st and 2nd floors, and allow the solar heated south side air to rise to the attic and the north side cooler air to fall down to the basement, creating a natural convective air flow through the house to more evenly "passively" distribute the passive solar heat gathered in the solarium.

The primary daytime living spaces are in the well daylit and passively winter heated south side of the house.  The northern rooms are rarely used special guest rooms (dining room, parlor, and foyer, and the sleeping areas of bedrooms.  The west wall of the house is buffered with a garage, laundry, mud room, pantry, and with one of the master closets.  The north and east walls of the house are buffered with wrap-around porches.  And the south wall is buffered with a screened in porch in the summer which becomes a glassed in solarium in the winter.  The 2nd floor screened porch should make a very comfortable, "traditional southern" summer sleeping porch as well.

I want an extremely tight and energy efficient envelope with an ERV system with humidity controls.  If the energy calcs show I need supplemental "active conditioning," I will be very careful not to oversize my HVAC unit(s).  Ideally, the house will behave like a large scale PassivHaus and the ERV system can have supplemental heating and cooling built into it, with no additional need for a full-scale HVAC, but maybe I'm dreaming...

I don't plan on cooling the basement, but merely dehumidfying the air.  The north wall of the basement where the window wells will draw in air for the solar chimney (when the cupola is open), will be an empty basement storage room, where I hope to add the dehumidifier and any required HVAC eqipment.  When all the windows are closed, doors can be strategically closed and opened to cause the cool northside air to drop into this "conditioning chamber" for dehumidification prior to recirculating across to the southside of the basement and then rising back through the house in the planned, natural convective air flow. 

If I have to have an active HVAC system with forced air that is separate from the ERV, then I am considering having the cold air returns dump into this basement conditioning and utility room for dehumidification prior to entering the HVAC for cooling and forced air recirculation through the house. 50% of the energy cost of cooling a home in Alabama is dehumidifying the air.  There are cheaper ways to dehumidify air than using an HVAC compressor to do it!  Additionally, if the humidity is controlled separately, the frequency of HVAC cooling becomes less critical to the health of the home.

I am considering putting radiant pex flooring in the south end of the basement slab and out in the pool patio slab as well (eventually I will add a retractable pool enclosure which will increase my winter solarium effect).  I will pre-plumb the pipes and possibly add the manifolds and SHW heaters for the radiant floor system later.  This radiant floor heat in the basement can help further drive the convection cycle of hot air through the home when the house is closed tightly. 

Note: I will have to carefully ensure the comfort of the theater room without over-heating the air and thereby disrupting the natural convective flow.  The theater room's radiant floor defintely needs to be zoned so that I can carefully control the temperature of this room to prevent the convection cycle from stagnating or reversing back up into the foyer.  When the basement north window wells are opened as replacement air for the "solar chimney," the theater room will also be the first room to circulate exterior air brought in to passively cool the house.  Will the theater get too cold in moderate weather months, when the cool air is being pulled in by the solar chimney in order to flush heat from other parts of the house??? 

Thinking about this, the basement theater room will likely be the hardest to keep passively comfortable.  The south side attic bedrooms may also have a tendency to passively over heat.  I think I can keep most of the rest of the house passively comfortable.

The ERVs will suck air from the bathrooms, pre-condition the replacement air with the energy from the exiting air, and blow that air into the nearby bedroom closets to then circulate into the bedrooms and out to the center hall of the house.  The replacement air for the bathrooms will be sucked from the center hall of the house.  With a bathroom adjacent to every "closed" room in the house, and jumper ducts from each "closed" room to the center halls, there will be no room in the envelope of the house subject to stagnant air, nor any unconditioned space.

I am considering installing a direct fresh air replacement supply line (with its own HEPA filter) positioned next to the powerful kitchen downdraft fan mounted in the island in order to prevent it from causing negative pressure on the nearby fireplace.  With the downdraft fan pulling high volumes of air out of the kitchen, this outdoor "fresh," but unconditioned air should mostly be sucked back out of the house to limit energy losses.  To limit the use of the powerful downdraft fan just to usage while cooking, I am also considering installing a seperate lower volume ceiling vent fan to purge remaining IAQ issues from the kitchen after the cooking is over and additional humidity is not being actively added to the room.  This secondary ceiling vent would be operated with a timer so as to limit "wasting" conditioned air.

Likewise, I want a humidistat controlled ventiallation fan that is separate from the ERV in the most commonly used shower enclosures to limit the amount of humidity that is released into the envelope of my home.

The other principle source of IAQ problems is the laundry room.  Ideally, the laundry room should be in the garage outside of the conditioned envelope.  However, my wife and most other comfort obsessed homeowners prefer doing their laundry from a laundry room conveniently within the conditioned envelope.  So, I've designed a compomise.  I'm building a tightly sealed laundry closet inside my laundry room, with an air intake from outside to provide make-up air for the dryer exhaust, so that I won't be wasting conditioned air.  We have energy star, very efficient front loading washer and dryers. 

But I'm also considering the possibility of building a "drying closet" (at least once solar recharged dessicant systems get commercially available and affordable).  As dry as an efficient front loading washer gets clothes, they can be hung afterwards on a clothesline and they actually dry quite quickly...  But noone wants to go outside to hang a clothesline, and quite frankly my neighborhood restrictions "ban" clotheslines.  But what if the clothes are hung up damp inside a drying closet with a dessicant dehumidifier and a basic fan to circulate air.  Presumably, within a few hours the hung clothes would be dry and ready to take to the bedroom closet without the higher energy expense of a drier.  [I'm thinking ahead to when I convert my house to a grid-tied but net Zero-Energy Home [ZEH].]

I also hope to design a fresh air intake into the basement conditioning room to replenish the lost air from showers, the kitchen, and possibly losses from the laundry room; this intake will be designed to always maintain positive pressure in the home.  I'm thinking that a pressure monitor could be the "switch" to turn the fan on...  Pressure tends to stratify in a closed house with the highest pressure in the attic, and the lowest pressure in the basement.  If sustained negative pressure were to occur, it would generally be measured in the basement.  I want the fresh air intake into the basmeent conditioning room to kick on automatically when the measured pressure drops below a pre-set...  This would keep  the house always under positive pressure and would also actively assist the desired air flow when the solar chimney is in use...    

One last thing about interior air flow...  I also intend to install a whole house attic fan in the cupola, to help actively flush the house with cool evening air (when the solar chimney effect doesn't work as well)...  I want a hygrometer measuring the outdoor and indoor humidity levels, mounted next to the attic fan switch so that it isn't turned on in unfavorable conditions.  [Note: flushing with cool evening air is only a good idea if it is also not high humidity air!  Otherwise, the energy consumed to dehumidify the air back to desired levels may be greater than the energy that would have been consumed to merely cool the house.]

The whole house envelope (walls, slab, roof, doors, and windows) will be carefully engineered and selected as investments in energy efficiency. 

For energy efficiency and as preparation for becoming a ZEH (or at least near ZEH) home, I want to use all energy star appliances and the most energy efficient ones I can afford.  A conduction electric cooktop will be used to limit unnecessary heat from escaping into the home during cooking.  Likewise, the microwave will be sized as a primary cooking oven because it releases less heat than a wall oven.  I will still have a full sized oven for occasional use, but will get the rapid cooking version.

I will have solar water heaters for domestic hot water use, as well as for radiant slab heating in the basement.  If I end up with an active HVAC system, it will likely only be for a short period of supplemental cooling use each year.  I will strongly consider a geothermal heat pump (but with our other energy efficiency investments, the opportunity for a payback on a geothermal heat pump becomes significantly lower...), if I can make the numbers work.  With the reduced loading requirements from the tight envelope and from a properly deisgned ERV with humidity controls (hopefully resulting in PassivHaus performance levels), the smaller sized HVAC requirements (if any are actually needed) may still make the heat pump cost affordable.  We shall see...  If I have a geothermal heat pump, I will also consider a heat recovery unit tied into the hot water system.

Eventually, I will add PV panels which will make sense as panel costs go down with volume and with technology advancements, and as utility rates increase with rising energy demand.  The day will come, and probably not to far down the road, that PV will be a financial no brainer, even in Alabama.  In preparation, I am pre-wiring for PV, and I intend to install a 16" standing seam metal roof at an 8:12 slope for quick and easy addition of PV panels in the future.  I can either go with roll and stick PV sheets in the troughs, or I can simply clamp higher capacity panels directly to the standing seams.  I will design the roof to handle PV panel loads and SHW loads as potentially needed.

Depending upon budget constraints, I am considering adding earth tubes from the basement conditioning room to the heavily shaded ravine or creek areas.  With the long distance from my house to the ravine, the air should further cool and somewhat dehumidify before entering the house.  Additionally, with the steep slope, the moisture should naturally condensate, drain, and keep the tubes clean and healthy.  They could be easily flushed and disinfected regularly when in use.  If budget doesn't permit at the time of construction, this is something I can add later with minimal disruption and relatively minimal additional costs using trenchless pipe installation methods.  With the earthtubes further enhancing the passive cooling and passive dehumidification, PERHAPS an active system beyond the ERV and dehumidification won't be needed.  At any rate, on the few "unbarably hot" weeks a year, if the thermal mass and ERV system can't keep the house sufficiently comfortable, the basement would still be comfortable with only dehumidification.

The upshot is, this house will be capable of "passive survivability" with relevative comfort, regardless of public utility failures. 

I've got lots more thoughts on this, but I'm out of time for now.

I'd love to here some constructive criticism regarding my theories and how to improve my plans to achieve my goals.

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