Thin Stone Veneer
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30 Oct 2008 10:30 PM
How green is stone veneer? I keep seeing a lot of faux stone or cultured stone - all of it is concrete I guess. I much prefer the look of real thin stone veneer. Unfortunately it seems pretty expensive.

I guess it's green-ness depends on how far away it comes from. It's heavy and requires resources to transport. On the other hand, once it's on you're not going to ever have to replace it or paint it. Any thoughts? Has anyone had good experiences with certain brands or vendors?
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31 Oct 2008 06:09 PM
There are a number of products that fit that general description.

"Engineered stone" is usully a combination of resin and natural stone aggregate. 

"Manufactured stone" or "cultured stone" are usually Portland Cement based products using a variety of natural or man made aggregates. 

"Cast stone" is a Portland Cement based product with stone aggregate and is normally used for architectural detail pieces, but I wouldn't think of it as a thin veneer application.

The Italians (and I assume the Chinese and others as well) are making porcelain tile products that are almost indestinguishable from real stone.  They can make large pieces and do custom pieces, too.  This is also sometimes referred to as "engineered stone."  If you are thinking thin, I'll bet you are thinking of products like this.  Here is one manufacturer. http://www.granitifiandre.com/ 

Depending on the stone you are comparing it to, it may or may not be cheaper in 30cm x 30cm tiles.  Because the porcelain material is homogenous and stronger than most stone, it can be thinner than natural stone in larger piece sizes and will have a definite price advantage.

I don't know how green the porcelain products are, but you could possibly get some recycled material points for engineered stone, cast stone and manufactured stone.  Shipping anything heavy is a problem, although the porcelain tile is generally thin, which helps a bit.

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31 Oct 2008 10:42 PM
Are the granitifiandre tiles intended for use as siding or just flooring?

Well I really liked the look of this, but it turns out it's VERY expensive:

http://www.krystalgardens.com/central_lime/rattlesnake_0002.jpg

This is much cheaper, and you can't tell exactly what it looks like online but it doesn't look very convincing:

http://siding.builddirect.com/Manufactured-Stone-Veneer/Manufactured-Stone-Veneer-Golden-Brown/Additional_7247_0_10057534_3434_0.aspx
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01 Nov 2008 04:10 AM

Porcelain tiles have been used on exterior "rain screen" or 'ventilated"  facades of multi story buildings in Russia and Eastern Europe using exposed mechanical fasteners.  The exposed fasteners and the end result are, shall we say, molto brutto, and I would not recommend this.

The tiles can be custom manufactured with thickened attachment points, but this is not practical for small lots and adds to the cost.  The tiles themselves are fine for exterior use, but attachment is problematic.

The other problem with these tiles (or any thin stone) is how does an outside corner look with material 1cm or less?  Unless you have "L" shaped corner pieces, everone knows that it is thin.  I have never looked at exterior "faux limestone" products such as you mention, but it looks like the manufactured stones probably have such pieces.

I am lucky that my build will be north of San Antonio where limestone is (relatively) inexpensive:-)

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01 Nov 2008 11:30 AM
Here is a product that I have used in the past. Everyone that sees it seems to like it...

http://www.stonetile.com/

It is a man made product with embedded fasteners creating a true rain screen system as it sits away from the wall.
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02 Nov 2008 04:16 PM
Jelly, there are many natural stone veeners in the 1" - 2" range that are priced competively with man made stone. Depending on your location for logistics the cost can be comparative. As a dealer for many brands of both I personally would go with Eldorado for a man made or search out a local real stone such as Halquist in Wisc. Lost Creek in Michigan sells many brands from Texas, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania areas.

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02 Nov 2008 04:34 PM
walltech, I am sending you an email through the private message feature, but it usually doesn't seem to work on this site. I'm in Louisiana and would be interested to hear more about any 1"-2" natural stone that is available from nearby dealers.
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10 Dec 2008 11:22 AM

Jelly, I am a manufacturer of thin stone in South Carolina and I can give you the basics of its green-ness.  Our process takes natural stone and at a minimum doubles its coverage area.  It will typically quadruple its coverage area.  We also recycle all of our water used in the production process.  The scrap that is left over can be used in backfill applications or as a gravel type of application.  There are no chemicals or dyes used in the process.  The product is applied in a similar manner as the fake stone and is comparable in price.  Obviously I am biased but when comparing the benefits of natural thin stone, fake stone, and full dimension natural stone, thin stone takes the best of both and combines into one product.  I hope this provides some helpful information. 

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09 Feb 2009 09:41 AM

Jelly, what is the name of your company in SC?

 

 

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24 Apr 2009 11:40 AM

I agree with everything 3river noted about the green benefits of natural thin veneer.  Most, if not all, manufactured or cultured stone products are basically colored cement. It has been well documented that cement production is very energy intensive—cement is among the most energy-intensive materials used in the construction industry and a major contributor to CO 2 in the atmosphere.

 

In terms of cost, please consider the cost of the entire project, not just the cost per square foot.  Some other cost benefits to consider are maintenance. Natural stone is maintenance free, unlike manufactured or cultured stone, natural thin stone veneer will not fade or wick water, thereby avoiding homeowners costly repairs in the future.  

  





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29 Jul 2009 11:12 AM
My company is located in Alabama and we are selling natural stone thin veneer. If you are still in the market, I would be happy to discuss it with you.
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29 Jul 2009 04:47 PM
Tim Lamb, I got your private message but it did not include any contact info for me to reach you.
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03 Aug 2009 05:47 PM
Posted By Jelly on 11/02/2008 4:34 PM
 private message feature, but it usually doesn't seem to work on this site.

I find the Private Messaging link at the top of the page works. The one accessed through the user name link on the left side of the page does not.

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22 Dec 2009 02:51 PM
Hello, I just upgraded my Den with Faux Stone Veneer, first I was not sure about the quality look or feel of the fake stone, I bought some samples. They send me the samples price in rebates which brought the cost somewhat down.
More than that I was amazed about the likelyness of it being real stone, Installation was easy too very easy.
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23 Dec 2009 08:24 AM
Thanks Designer Guy. While I am not opposed to the use of foam veneers, I am not so sure I would use it at the foundation. Rather a good spot would be for a cap stone at the top of a parapet. Ironically that was just about the only application they didn't seem to cover at the website you mentioned. But wow, they are expensive! Not any cheaper than real stone.
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31 Aug 2010 09:38 PM
Please contact me as I am a Texas quarry direct on thin veneer stone, flats and corners. I can be reached XXX-XXX-XXXX (Phone #'s and email addresses are not allowed in forum posts) for more information.
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