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05/02/2008 10:52 AM  
Hey all, first time poster here.

I am in the process of designing and building an indoor sports facility in Indiana.  I have been in touch with an ICF distributor and have weighed the benefits of building not only more environmentally friendly, but also a more aestethically pleasing building.  Throw in the durability argument and I'm sold.  The problem...roof systems for a semi-free span roof.  The width of our structure is approx. 190 feet with only one set of columns down the length centerline.

The last estimate for the steel roof system was outrageous compared to the wall systems.  I'm also concerned with the amount of heat loss with a steel roof system.

Are there any other options out there, especially with our dimensions?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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05/07/2008 9:51 AM  
Building a clear span enviromentally friendly, fully insulated and aestethically pleasing building isn't a problem even at 190lf with SIPS technology.  You won't get away without some facit of a steel package but with a load bearing wall panel and a similar insulated structural roof panel will allow for a limited steel package to frame your roof whether it's flat or pitched and solve your concern for heat loss. 

I am currently working on similar recreation projects and have some design ideas to pass along if your interested.  Give me a call to discuss, I should be able to point you in the right direction for your building concerns.  440-623-4617.  JP
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05/14/2008 6:31 PM  
For your wall system, have you considered a structural CMU design?  One that incorporates high recycled content in the CMU as we as an integrated insulating system?

You would realize the additional advantage of the aesthetic capabilities of CMU, with over a hundred integral of colors to choose from in various textures including ground face and split face surfaces.

Not to mention we're local Indiana folks ourselves.

James

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05/15/2008 1:17 PM  

I'd be willing to look at any and all options at this point.  I'm just gathering data.  I can be reached at asaindiana@gmail.com.  Please feel free to contact me there.  Always willing to talk with another Hoosier!

SportsGuy

 

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05/15/2008 7:08 PM  
I built a school about 8 years ago that had 80 ft. clearspan concrete roof. Insulation and roofing on top for an R30 design.
The 33 ft. tall walls are ICF. The 57,000 sq. ft. structure which is all electric is averaging 400 a month total utilities.
I have built several churches around the nation as well. Every customer is very happy with the buildings.
I would look at precast if you have a supplier within 3-500 miles.

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05/16/2008 9:03 AM  

Telastones, Sounds expensive... We're operating on a shoestring construction budget.  Understand the after-construction costs are less...  How does the pre-cast roof system compare with traditional steel? 

You can also e-mail me at asaindiana@gmail.com.

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05/16/2008 9:04 AM  

Also, sorry about butchering your name....

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05/16/2008 12:06 PM  
Sprtsguy,
It's OK. My mother started DAMN (National Mothers Against Dislexia)
It is not my name but that of Nikola Tesla--the greatest inventor to have ever lived (He invented radio amoung hundreds of other things which make our lifestyle possible)

When I built the school it also was initially designed with a red iron roof (48" depth)
The engineer would not consider a concrete roof--he maintained it was not possible or feasable and would be too expensive.
I releived him of any further obligations and warned him to not drive across any bridges on his way home.
"It is not the impossible over which I stumble but the improbable"
I hired an engineer who had an imagination and the roof was thinner (32" depth) cheaper and faster.
It can very much depend upon what someone wants to consider as well as what is in your market.
What we did required a much larger crane but we were able to find just what we needed.  The 57,000 sq. ft. of roof went together in 1 1/2 days once all things were in place and staged. (1/2 day extra due to a broken hydraulic hose on the crane)
It was like watching a beautiful symphony unfold.

tesla-was-right@hotmail.com
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