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02/03/2009 6:17 AM  
Posted By The Sipper on 02/02/2009 7:58 PM
Are ALL of my comments "mis-information", or just the one pertaining to "steel sips and missles" (aka "projectiles").................in Florida?

I object to your #2 statement as highlighted

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02/03/2009 2:38 PM  
Ok, so I stand, corrected on this one issue. Actually I learned something from your response, as perhaps others did. Howerver, it would have been nice if you had not opened your response to my post with "Your comments are mis-information" since the issue of "SIPs,ICF's, and Missles" was only one of my points. Also, I may do a little research here, it seems like I saw a report about "wind driven objects and ICF walls" which resulted in virtually no damage. I'll bet that a 2 x 4 striking a steel skinned sip at 180 mph would at least result in a heck of a "dent"........don't you think?

Again, as I did in a recent post, I would caution anyone who is planning to build with any SIP type or brand, to be sure that the product is approved within the state where their building site is located, (eg: California and Oregon) and in some cases cities and counties (eg: Los Angeles) There may be others but these are the ones that I'm aware of that do have approval procedures in place for SIPs.

Also, I would stilll be interested in knowing what type of a project the instigator of this thread had in mind when he started it, residential or commercial?
As I said before, while there are many issues that apply to both, there are also major differences that could make many of the previous posts irrelevant, if, indeed, the original post was in connection with a commercial project (Not "wrong", or "mis-information", just, in some cases "not applicable")
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02/03/2009 3:28 PM  
A big dent would not be considered a failure, actually in tesing the 2x4 shot out of a cannon does not penetrate the outer steel skin, the panel seems to absorb and distribute the momentary impact load

A building that had no damage during a 180 mph wind obviously avoided any 2x4s getting hurled at it.

What the Einstein's fail to realize is that at 180 mph if the wind picks up a travel trailer or a small car and slams it againts your house, it will result in catastophic loss.
the impact glass may not blow out, but they will most assuredly all be broken

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02/04/2009 12:48 AM  
This thread is silly.

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02/04/2009 12:52 AM  
I'm the original poster. Did not realize I was posting in the commercial section. I'm looking to build a weekend home which will eventually become my full time home if I ever get to retire.

I'm trying to figure out what I can afford. I'm getting the feeling that SIPs are less expensive than ICFs. I don't care about hurricanes, tornados or earthquakes as the area is not prone to them, (Hudson Valley, NY), though they do occur from time to time. Flooding should not be an issue as I'm looking for a building site on high ground.

Durability is a factor, but nothing has to last past my death, I'd just want low maintenance while I'm around.
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02/09/2009 8:29 PM  
No harm, no foul, "Want to Build", I just thought that the issue of "residential or commercial" was worth clarifying. Your original post certainly stirred up some "interesting, and creative", responses, didn't it? However, I would have to disagree with the post stating "this tread is silly".

In any event There is an R-Control SIP manufacturer located in Buffalo, NY if you're interested in pursuing this option.

Good luck with your search for that "perfect" building system for your project. That is what this is all about, isn't it?


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