Ian ICF Builders
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| 09/20/2001 9:03 AM |
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| Just used the new Simpson Ledger Connectors. We set a 16" LVL for a main floor system and 2x12 for a rear deck (we didn't install the 2x12). The system worked extremely well. The time to install the embed was quick....twice as fast as bolts at least... They will no doubt replace the old ways very rapidly. We would suggest that once the connector is placed on the LVL or 2x, that the wood be drilled out to aid in setting the large hex screws since it seems that they heat up as they go through the wood. We were able to transfer our layout to the ledgers and preset all hangers and connectors prior to lifting the ledger into place. We were leery about the spacing of the connectors but followed the recommended spacing with no problems what so ever. We will be using these hangers every chance we get in the future. They are definitely a revolution to the ICF industry. I believe you can see them at www.strongtie.com |
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enermizermuskoka
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| 09/20/2001 1:37 PM |
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Sounds great Ian, I was just going to ask if
anyone has used them. Rick from Formtech
passed em' by a little while back. Do you
mind telling me if you found them priced good
as compared to the other ledgerbolts? and if
you think it would be a hassle with mounting
the ledger board in place prior to pouring?
They do look interesting, but I wondered
what they cost. Take-care Ian, sincerely.
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enermizermuskoka
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| 09/20/2001 1:41 PM |
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Sounds great Ian, I was just going to ask if
anyone has used them. Rick from Formtech
passed em' by a little while back. Do you
mind telling me if you found them priced good
as compared to the other ledgerbolts? and if
you think it would be a hassle with mounting
the ledger board in place prior to pouring?
They do look interesting, but I wondered
what they cost. Take-care Ian, sincerely.
C.Kerr |
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Ian ICF Builders
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| 09/20/2001 7:35 PM |
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Chris:
The connector would work well for attaching the ledger prior to concrete. The design of the embed portion will allow for compression. We only set the embed portion and installed the other half of the connector and all joist hangers on the ledger prior to setting the ledger on the already poured wall. This method went real quick. (we typically perset the entire floor system) I would think that this will be the way to go since any adjustments can be dealt with after placement of concrete. I would guess that the connector and the process to install it will cut labor and material costs into less than half that of two bolts per joist...as we have been doing as of late. |
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steve rutherford
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| 09/20/2001 9:23 PM |
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Ian, Do you think they work better than Anchor Tunnels ??
Edited by - steve rutherford on 09/20/2001 21:24:47 |
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enermizermuskoka
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| 09/22/2001 9:16 AM |
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Sorry for the double posting Folks(what's with that?) Ian, Thanks- it sounds very
user friendly. Anything that saves time does
save money, I'll give them a try. Thanks again Ian, Take-care. Sincerely, C.Kerr |
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James Eggert
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| 11/01/2001 9:57 PM |
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We also just used the Simpson ICF-W hangars and I agree with Ian, time is money and these save time, however these are not cheap. We paid $7 ea so $14 per 4' spacing.
Yes, predrill the wood but also use a low speed drill and the techs start easier.
I have used the tunnels and thought they were an improvement over previous ways, the Simpson anchors are another step forward.
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Jim
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James Eggert
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| 11/23/2001 11:35 PM |
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We need to add a clarification regarding using the Simpson Anchors.
Open boxes mean lost parts, so we didn't open the last one until we needed to install the lvl's. Good quality control from Simpson; not a screw in the box, and this the day before Turkey Day. We lost manhours temping the ledgers until Simpson UPS'd overnite another box of hangars with screws.
From now on we will open ALL boxes and check.
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Jim
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steve rutherford
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| 11/25/2001 9:45 AM |
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I will be building an ICF house next year, and am curious to the pro's and con's of both the Simpson Strong-Tie Ledger Connectors or the Anchor Tunnels, and are there any specific circumstances when one method works more efficiently than the other?
Edited by - steve rutherford on 11/25/2001 09:52:28 |
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James Eggert
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| 11/26/2001 9:51 PM |
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Steve
I used the Anchor Tunnels and they were alright, just alright but nothing exciting. Of course we're only talking an anchor bolt holder here. If you are using 2x lumber and space as specified they work fine, however, I would not use the Simpson anchor spaced @4' with a 2x ledger on a bet. But if you are using the lvl ledgers the 4' spacing makes it easy to install. We hold the Simpsons out from the corner 8"+/- so the I-joist hangars miss the mounting bracket.
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Jim
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steve rutherford
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| 11/27/2001 10:25 AM |
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| Jim, Thank You , Steve |
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steve rutherford
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| 11/27/2001 6:36 PM |
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Jim ,Just read OKBlocker's post in the Professional's form , maximum wall height..
Could the Anchor Tunnels cutout be used for concrete placement , And install the Anchor Tunnels after the concrete was at this level . For tall walls would this be a Pro for Anchor Tunnel's
Thanks Again
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James Eggert
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| 11/29/2001 11:08 AM |
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Steve
What an interesting and good idea!! Why not??
I will remember this to use under windows that are set high in the wall and for those infill emergencies that just don't sound right!
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Jim
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