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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 7:53 PM |
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Vibration removes the trapped air in the concrete and around the rebar enabling a much better bond
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
Napa, CA
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The Panel Guy
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| 06/06/2008 8:48 PM |
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It's okay to rant on the panel guy. I know he's thick skinned. I don't see this thread as being hijacked to promote TF. I do think that people come to this site to listen to shared experiences form those of us who have had years of experience with this type of construction and don't worry there is nothing PC about me. Oh, no............... here he goes again.................. I have installed Amvic (Bill Juhl (Amvic dealer) in Nevada City is a good friend of mine and we are fierce competitors), Green Block, Rostra, Diamond Snap Form, and Reward. Now at the risk of turning renangle's stomach further inside out, I'll simply state that I find the TF System to be the easiest system to use, which why I've always gone back to it after experimenting with all of the different types of ICFs. All concrete retaining walls and wall framing systems require an engineers stamp for the rebar schedule. The ICF you use is simply the form that holds the concrete in place and then provides long lasting benefits cause you don't strip it off.
One thing all of these systems have in common is that they provide an extremely energy efficient building envelope.
To answer drewsteele's questions, which I challenge the block system guys to do........................
Pros of the verticle system?
Doesn't settle. Fewer to no blowouts. Conformity of material. No additional expense for renting of bracing (you use 2 x dimensional lumber, that you will work into the rest of the project). So simple that peopel with little to no building experience have installed this system after only a very hours of site supervision by me.
Cons of the verticle system?
I've been asked this question numerous times and I honestly don't have an answer as I have never found a con. Perhaps a con would be that there aren't more dealers out there for competitive pricing and that the owners/developers of the TF system have not put the money into marketing the system so it's more common like, Amvic, Reward, ect.
Comparisons to block system?
They're all basically made with 2lb dense foam, they're lightweight, they will all provide you with an R-factor of 24 to 25. You will have an energy efficient building envelope with any of them you choose.
Are there more than one manufacturer of Verticle systems?
TF is the only verticle ICF system.
I see plastic and light gauge webs (ibeams) and thoughts on difference?
The plastic I-Beams are cheaper. I was glad when TF changed from steel I-beams as the steel had thermal bridging issues even though they did have a thin layer of foam between the fins and the exterior of the system.
I have to believe that few block guys have ventured out and experimented with other systems besides the one they used the first time to be able to come back with their comparisons to the TF system.
It would be good to hear from block guys who have tried different systems and finally settled into one they like, similar to my journey of settling in with the ICF system I've come to prefer. |
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amtnbiker
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| 06/10/2008 6:53 PM |
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I'm a new guy weighing in on TF Systems. A few months ago I poured a 26 x 50 basement using TF Systems. It went great! The forms were very forgiving. When I did something dumb like accidentally poking a hole panel with a wheelbarrow, it was easy to replace the panel. If the wall I was building wasn't a multiple of the panel width and corner piece, 3 passes through the table saw and I had a panel with a perfect fit. And the best thing? I dropped batteries, tie wire spinners, tape measures, you name it down in the cavity and all I had to do to get that stuff out was slide a panel out! That and I didn't have to strip any forms...and the panels are really light. But I guess all ICF's fit that description.
By the way, I vibrated. But you can't dawdle. Leave it down there too long and you'll have nothing but rocks on the bottom. |
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