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bshaw
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| 06/03/2008 7:51 PM |
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Hello all. I'm new to the forum, although I have been doing a ton of reading on here. Let me start by saying I think this site if full of great information and great people/helpers!
As I stated I'm new, and I'm fairly new to the whole ICF concept. Sometime, hopefully sooner than later, I'll be building a ICF house if I can ever find a piece of property that I'm happy with.
To start off, I was thinking of building a single story house with a full basement using an ICF shell for the first (basement) and second story. One of my many questions is I want a 2 or 3 car garage but can't justify using ICF for it, I would much rather stick build it to save on cost. Would this really create to much of a issue tying into the ICF shell?
Next I would like to find out what you all feel about stick building the inside of a ICF shelled home? I'm just trying to figure out what is really needed to justify certain costs, if that makes sense...... Any input would greatly be appreciated. Thanks a head of time,
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Paul Stevens
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| 06/03/2008 8:09 PM |
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When you say stick building the inside of a ICF shell, do you mean strap out the ICF call with 2x4 to attach the drywall to?? If so that is not necessary, you attach drywall directly to the attachment strips embedded in the foam. If that is not what you mean then most people use 2x4's to frame interior walls.
Regarding your garage. It is obviously completely your choice, if you live in a cold winter climate and use your garage a lot and are going to heat it with in floor heat, then to use the ICF is a great way to go. Depending on the design of your house 2 of the garage walls may also be walls of the house that will already be ICF that only leaves 1 side and the front (which is full of openings, reducing amount of material needed) this may not be too much of an increase in material costs. If you are only using it for storage and for the cars and nothing else, just stick frame it to keep the cost low. For attachment purposes you can cut out the foam and cover with a piece of Ply. where the stick wall is going to attach, that way you will be able to tap con straight to the concrete anchoring the wall in place, or you can screw straight to the webs if they line up. The choice is yours!! |
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aronmac
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| 06/03/2008 8:48 PM |
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yeah. Like he said, framing out your garage is not a problem. Most people I know end up building the whole thing with ICF, but if you want to, you can stick build it. Just make sure you have a apt engineer that knows how to work with the product. I have seen people pay way more in materials and labor (which jacks up the entire cost of the project) because of extras the engineer put in due to fear and or ignorance. I am not against building a stout home, but there is a ditch on either side of the right path to go on here, and you can build a superiorly strong house and keep the costs from being more than necessary at the same time. This site would be a good place to stay tuned to.
On the practical side of things I can think about in the field, make sure your wall elevations are correct to support your roof system so there is no problem with the transition from icf to wood (no big deal). I like tying in wood walls to the icf walls with anchor bolts, but like paul said, tap cons work, or you can screw it into the web if it lines up (again, no big deal).
Does anyone else have anything on this? |
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bshaw
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| 06/04/2008 9:18 AM |
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Thank you both for the replies.
Paul, what I meant by stick building on the inside, or in other words, is build all the rooms in the house with 2x4's, and the shell being icf. The reason I asked is because I thought everybody who built ICF homes used something different for the interior walls. It puts me at ease to know that just 2x4 walls will work out. I did know about being able to attach drywall to the icf strips on the interior walls.
Now you got me thinking about the garage part...... I plan further down the line building a pole barn for vehicle work and storage, with a heated floor. The attached garage will be used until that happens, and btw I live in Ohio so cold winter months are present. I guess it's something I'm really going to have to think about whether to icf the garage or stick build it. I know one thing, I defiantly want the bordering house wall to the garage to be icf no matter what just for insulating purposes.
Aron I will be sticking around here for a long time to come. This site if full of great info and people. I'll be reading my little heart off until it's time to build and during the build process. I plan on doing most of the work myself with some experienced friends, hopefully a good 70-80% worth anyway if not more. I've got big dreams of geothermal, windmill, and icf. Just hope I can make it happen.
Again, thanks guys. Really appreciate the information! I'm sure I'll be posting a lot more questions as time goes. I want to get all my ducks in a row well before the build process ever happens. |
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