pjf
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| 06/05/2008 5:00 PM |
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| I have read all of the pool threads on this board, but most are a little vague.
I was wondering specifically what if anyone has used as a liner for a icf pool and how they installed it.
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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 7:48 PM |
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Gunite finish, sprayed in, tile on top, painted below, fill with water and enjoy.
Save on energy costs of heating the pool |
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
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Jelly
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| 06/05/2008 7:52 PM |
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| Chris Johnson, is the Gunite sprayed directly on to the ICF forms? Is there a wire mesh or anything else used? |
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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 7:54 PM |
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| Use mesh with stand offs...it needs something to adhere to |
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
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Jelly
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| 06/05/2008 7:59 PM |
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| Like pjf said, not a lot has been written about this. How would the bottom of the pool be constructed if using ICF? |
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Paul Stevens
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| 06/05/2008 8:05 PM |
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| I was just talking to a guy who was going to pour a slab first with in floor radiant heat then build the walls on top. The slab would be formed to finished floor. |
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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 8:23 PM |
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Correct, pour the floor, doesn't matter before or after the walls, have a foam fabricator make the corners or you can purchase them from someone who makes mouldings for stucco...same thing
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
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pjf
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| 06/05/2008 8:56 PM |
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| Any other options other than gunite?
Can you do vinyl liner, or any other options
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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 9:35 PM |
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I'm sure you could do a liner, would require the track at the top to hold in place and it should work. Why would you want a liner? Damages easier then gunite and requires periodic replacement, etc.
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
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pjf
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| 06/05/2008 10:36 PM |
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| Not to many gunite pools up here in Ontario, Canada. Would be a little worried about cracking etc.
From a structural standpoint do you know what thickness of block would work, or more rebar etc.
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Chris Johnson
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| 06/05/2008 11:29 PM |
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Paul...This is your backyard...take over...if you need struct. details let me know I will email to you
PJF...I'm 3000 miles from you...things are a little different here |
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Chris Johnson - Pro ICF
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Jelly
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| 06/06/2008 1:03 AM |
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| Chris Johnson, I sent you a private message with my email if you wouldn't mind sending construction details...thanks! |
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pjf
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| 06/06/2008 8:29 AM |
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| PM sent |
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Paul Stevens
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| 06/06/2008 2:22 PM |
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pjf, just called the guy I know up here to see what he is using, right now he is still investigating, he mentioned a spray liner, Line-X, the same guys that do the pickup beds, its a little pricey but will last a life time, you can also get custom fit liners as well. Sean said he would be more than happy to talk to you about it if you want. get in touch with me and I will give you his info>
stevensconstruction@rogers.com
705-333-1091
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vermaraj
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| 06/06/2008 2:46 PM |
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I have no direct experience with this product. Months ago I was researching building ICF pools and this seemed like a very interesting way of creating a waterproof liner. Basically it is a fiberglass system that can be applied over foam:
http://www.armorpools.com/index1.html
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pjf
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| 06/06/2008 3:24 PM |
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| Hey Paul
Thanks, I have seen a company advertising scorpion coatings, they make a zero biological growth spray liner that i have inquired about to see if it will adhere to icf blocks I have not heard back from them yet |
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Peter Jackson
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| 06/07/2008 12:43 AM |
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The heck with gunite. In a "normal" in-ground pool, the gunite is structural, right? If so, then what's the point of the icf walls? I'm trying to swing a deal where the icf guys doing my house stack and pour pool walls using Lite Form extruded strippable forms, I strip off the inside, and then get the plasterer who's stucco-ing my house to cut me a deal on a Permacrete urethane "plaster" job for the pool.
Now if I could just find an engineer who wouldn't look at me like I'm crazy and refer me to a useless pool contractor...
I'll tell you how it turns out in six months.
yours/
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slenzen
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| 06/09/2008 8:35 PM |
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My neighborhood is refurbishing our pool, shell is intact. New boulder retaining wall, concrete deck, landscaping, pool plumbing and small bathroom/equipment room $250,000 !!
I am planning a pool on a new home build in MN and looking for alternatives. I got a quote of 35-50000 for a basic 20x40 vinyl liner and 70,000 to 100,000 for gunite pool.
I can't believe these pool contractors aren't selling insulated pools especially w/ the ICF knowledge out there now. Maybe they don't care in order to sell you additional heating equipment and solar pads. Seems like a great opportunity there.
Here is one www.insulatedpoolkits.com |
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Paul Stevens
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| 06/09/2008 8:44 PM |
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| Peter, what's the point of ICF walls you say, well we know from our geo-thermal heat guys that the ground has a constant temp of 55 degrees all year long, well I want my pool at 80 or so it takes a lot to heat a pool when the ground keeps stealing the heat, the solution, ICF walls used the same way as in the house, keeps the hot in and the cold out, put a solar blanket on top and there you have it!!! |
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Jelly
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| 06/10/2008 2:54 AM |
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| Paul Stevens, the way I took Peter's comment was if you're going to use gunite to finish the ICF, then why use the ICF in the first place (meaning they are both structural and therefore using both would be overkill). The benefit of an ICF pool wall is pretty clear, but how best do you finish it so that it's going to last for years underwater? |
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