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icfdesign
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| 08/21/2001 7:57 PM |
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jdintexas (That Born & Raised West Texas Oil Girl)
Have been writing specifications for ICF construction long before 95% of the members here showed up, including you.....And yes, Air exchangers have sure came along way over the years.
Having alot to learn about this business? I guess, the most often learned about, is the people factor, that seems to be the only thing that changes, unless someone decides to "knock off the other guy's products" and become the latest and the greatest. As far installations of the various form units, well I guess I'll leave it to the guys who "work it baby work it" as you put it. Not making anything here as private, to be my biz, of coarse your biz is your biz, however, you have posted much for all the world to see. As far as the time factor, I dictate my text and it is typed into content on the internet by my personal administrative assistant, must be doing something right, do you type your own content? Now if we could just get all those deadbeats to pay their bills who owes me money, this business is famous for deadbeats who run off and steal and cheat and never pay up...Got any advice?
So Glad Ian is your "choosen one", after all he is very smart when it comes to installation and engineering, and he's quite the leader. Ya' know those aggies, leaders all the way! yeap yeap....ya' all come back now ya' hear?
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jharber
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| 08/22/2001 2:00 PM |
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It really scorches my shorts that such inane posts to a valid topic help to advance members in "seniority" on this site. I sure do wish I had the time to participate more often. It would make me look more experienced. I already kick myself for wasting so much time sifting through the garbage to find the information gems that exist here. I guess that is the internet age...
Lest anyone get the wrong idea, I do not include positive, factual, or complimentary remarks in the "inane" category. We do need to encourage each other and give visitors to this site tangible information.
If anyone finds this post offensive, they may want to take an introspective look.
Bottom Line: Keep your replies informative...
Jerry Harber
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icfdesign
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| 08/23/2001 9:36 AM |
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Hey Mr. Scorched Shorts,
If you want to talk about scorched shorts, drop me a line. I've been burned enough that scars don't even describe.
As a rocket scientist, you should understand that many times comments are directed in a dialog to basic for many to understand?
By the way, did you get a patent on the brace system you desgined. If so, share the patent number, I would be interested in looking over the details.
Edited by - icfdesign on 08/23/2001 09:41:47 |
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Rick
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| 08/23/2001 10:32 AM |
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Hey Jerry,
Good point, Jerry. I thinks its human nature to make some of the comments that are posted throughout this website. I think as long as we don't let it get carried away, AND, keep it out of the "Ask The Pro's" section,which is now an open forum again (hint hint, get in there Jerry) we should be ok.
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jharber
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| 08/23/2001 1:42 PM |
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Dave: Surprised at your question. Since you visited my website, you should know that I clearly indicate patent pending products. I am fully comfortable marketing and selling patent pending products when I have the application on file at the U.S. Patent Office. This product has no patent indicated. Nor do I plan on applying for any. It would be a waste of my time and money. If you would like to find out how the brace works, buy one.
A patent on bracing and scaffolding for concrete forms would need such narrow claims that it becomes useless in my estimation. The simple way around infringement would be to simply market the product to the aluminum/steel concrete form industry.
Rick: I do participate when I feel that I have useful information to share You will find most of my posts surround making sure that air exchangers are an integral part of ICF homes. I rarely participate in other areas because I have a great reluctance to market my products in such a forum.
All: Just think how beneficial this could be to all if the posts fell into the “I have an issue”, informative, or the enthusiastic category. It would just help to infect that individual with ICF fever just like most of us have. If serious issues arise, it also offers us a forum on how to work around it. I use the termite issue as an example. Much good information was shared in that topic.
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Ian ICF Builders
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| 08/26/2001 4:22 PM |
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| Jerry: You're right. I will reserve my trash posts for the 7th inning stretch from now on. I shouldn't even bother with the trash, but that is akin to watching a bully steal the little ol' lady's purse and doing nothing about it... |
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icfdesign
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| 08/27/2001 12:48 AM |
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Well, now isn't that special, Ian.....Talking about akin to stealing a purse eh? And being a bully, damn dude, Where in the heck was ya when you were pouring a job using braces that were stolen by your general contractor from a company in Ohio...Sure would have been nice to have you akin to the same attitude then, but it ain't over yet.....Nope, it's far from over.
"Heresay is what the minority beleive, It is the home given by the powerful to the doctrine of the weak",
Don't ever forget it.......
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Ian ICF Builders
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| 08/27/2001 6:35 AM |
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| Dave: Your inability to collect is now my fault? At the time we were on that project (note I say WE), the bills were being paid. We stopped work once the money stopped, filed liens etc., etc. just as the system is set up. We eventually collected. I'm suprised that you didn't follow up....you sure come across as being the attack dog type here, but I guess when it comes to action in the business place, you fall short. I surely would have offered to assist you in collecting your $$ had you asked (We were doing it for ourselves anyway), but since you didn't ask and I didn't recover your braces (a contract between YOU and the General Contractor, not ICF Builders), I see that ICF Builders is guilty by association? For the courtesy of persons like Jerry, I suggest you move this topic to the 7th inning stretch if you are going to continue trying to insinuate that ICF Builders had anything to do with your dealings with Superior Built...I doubt that will be the case since you have posted many times about how you can take care of yourself etc.etc. |
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markross
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| 08/27/2001 7:37 PM |
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JD, for 50 bucks, I will give a shameless, yet tacky plug for Amvic. Rick, I thought we agreed on $25.00 per Formtech Mention???? By the way, the clips almost work, we need one final mod on them.
On to more serious matters.
The mindless bantering as many would be led to believe is in good heart here, although some take it personally (and shouldent), others strive hard to have a good time and throw out hello's and small talk, which lightens up the whole board. Mindless, I think not, entertaining??? yes, and this entertainment and friendships being developed here is as important as laying the block in place.
But I ramble to increase my position.
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jharber
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| 08/28/2001 8:30 AM |
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Good time, fun comments, hello’s all give a positive appearance to the forum. If everyone acted like a pocket protector wearing geek (no, I do not wear a pocket protector), this forum could easily scare off people just introduced to ICFs. I guess I just got a little aggravated over seeing so many negative comments from the ones who take it personally.
By the way, since you are an “advanced member”, what comes next? Great ICF Kahuna, Omnipotent ICFer, or ICF Oracle? Is there a next level?
Keep up your positive, informative, positive, entertaining, and positive posts Mark, maybe Rick K. will create a next level…
Jerry Harber
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Rick
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| 08/28/2001 11:08 AM |
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Gee, Jerry, I thought we could introduce royalty, like in : "your Royal Lordship, High Stacker of Block, Sir Ian Geisler" or "Duke of Slump, Markus Aureilius, Ross"
Sir Mark, e-mail your modification suggestions.
By your leave,
Peasant Rick
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ebohatch
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| 09/01/2001 8:25 AM |
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Let's see the original post was:
"DO TO AVAILABILITY AND COST'S,ETC. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE I.C.F.?"
After 3 pages of replies I have seen very little in the way of answers.
Some people suggested TF Systems. Kerr initally stated his preferences and that's what I was expecting to hear in this forum.
Sure would be informative to all of us....
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icfdesign
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| 09/02/2001 11:03 PM |
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Back to the subject line:
ECO has a commercial ICF unit that works very well. The size of the ICF is 2' x 4' (to those using metric, you do the calc) and the web is embedded into the panels. The panels are delivered to the job site in plastic wrap, tagged with the product information. The improved density of the material is excellent. The 1.75 density of the EPS panel holds the concrete very well. The wall assembly I poured was 10 foot high and the only problem occured in two locations, and was not considered a huge deal by the Owner. The mix was a little dry at first, so that might have been the issue. The corners are pre-formed panels, with plastic C type assembly. The corners were installed using plastic zip strips to hold the corners tight.
The corners recieived the concrete very well. The lifts were poured at about 3-4 foot per pass. Bracing the corners both inside and out was used to avoid any problems. The new latch type style web is great. The ECO company has designed a web embedded into the foam panel, and when the plastic ties snaps into the webs that are put into place, a latch design keeps the web from pulling up or away from the form unit panels. It is a big improvement over the original style web & ties. The larger panels are key for stacking too. The larger panels stacked at two foot heights, it is an improvement over the traditional 16" height panel. For instance, the 16' height wall, and the 18' height wall worked well for beam pockets and the over all design of the building. Once the assembly was stacked in place, the ECO 2'x 4' panel recieved the concrete very well. The support the Owner AND installers recieved from the Corporate Level, including the local rep was excellent, in my opinion. The rep WAS THERE on the day of the pour, including the usual drop by during the business day to see if the INSTALLERS had any questions. The local Distributor sales rep was very helpful too, he also stopped by during the business day to see if the INSTALLERS had any needs that could be addressed. Even being a first time project for this Distributor, all parties invloved are working TOGETHER to see the project through, and create a successful project for the building Owner's. The one comment I have, which effects ANY ICF unit. The concrete mix design and the pumper used to place the mix in the wall. VERY CRITICAL. Overall, the ECO commerical ICF units are an excellent product to use, and the overall performance of the panels holding concrete was top notch.
The shipping of the ICF units to the project was handled using a common carrier, and the truck arrived on the day it was expected, and the plastic wrapped panels and boxed web ties were in first rate order, no damage, no opened cartons, each was tagged with the location and date of mfg. The length of time to actually assemble the ties onto each panel was quick and easy. It didn't take near the time one might expect. Overall, it is a quality product, mfg. and serviced by a quality company, and Distributor, just my opinion.....
Edited by - icfdesign on 09/02/2001 23:04:59 |
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ebohatch
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| 09/03/2001 2:52 PM |
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Thanks ICFDesign that's the kind of informed opinion we were hoping to find on this forum.
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Rick
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| 09/10/2001 11:59 AM |
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| Has anyone heard anything about New Maxx? Saw a piece of it a while ago, heard some noise about a couple of projects back in the spring, and nothing else since..... |
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enermizermuskoka
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| 09/10/2001 6:38 PM |
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...alas my friend, That was the last time you will have heard of the"New Maxx"term used
in context with I.C.F.'s as far as I know.
When Arxx changed it's game plan and name,
a number of distributor's hopped onto a product made by a corp. named A.I.M. out of
Barrie, Instead of having to change all of the paint job's etc.,and keeping the flavor of the name- It went from " blue" to "new".
So to make the story short... Legal lines
were drawn, the name was dropped and is presently marketed under A.I.M.Inc.
As I understand, the name thing is not the
only problem but also the patent infringement
and direct copyright issues exist. I can give you a # if you want?Laughing! But in my
humble opinion-Flash in the pan. Take-care
Rick, Sincerely. C.Kerr
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markross
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| 09/10/2001 10:36 PM |
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AIM tastes good.
Rick:
Its a large block brought into conception by Polyform from of Granby Quebec. and its a biggy. 18" high and 8' long. full interlocking ties and folding, as well as reversable. Good Idea actually, however they use steel pins for Hinges, so dont rip a block at a hinge point (plan here and no problem). It is distributed by a group of guys from Ontario including the old Barrie, Sudbury and parry sound blue maxx distributors. not a bad product, however they are struggling for support items, hopefully they will get this resolved soon.
Very expensive block for the limited support available.
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icfdesign
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| 09/10/2001 11:19 PM |
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Copyright infringement? Legal Lines Drawn?
Damn guys.... Maybe it's finally time to draw some legal lines of my own. Writing a Technical Manual about the AAB type ICF's, A Division of Ontairo Ltd. in 1994 and 1995, I'll have to investigate to see how much of the current manual has violated Design Concepts copyrights and other proprietary information? The bracing design & manuals are a whole other subject to deep and wide to even address here...Thanks for the one up....Perhaps the legal beagles can go to work on this one for me, now that I have a million bucks to spare.......
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markross
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| 09/13/2001 7:31 AM |
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With however many manufacturers, I would say that their have probably been many patent lines crossed. I wonder if the patent offices are going to consider ICF concept of interlocking hollow blocks a non-patentable product, like standard steel shapes or dimensional lumber.
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