AzPatty
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| 11 Mar 2008 11:54 PM |
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I'm in White Mtns. of AZ and wanting to build a commercial building approx. 60 x 120 for office/retail space. I want (of course) to do this as economically as possible even if it means not finishing 3/4 of the interior for now and having tenants finish their own spots. I heard of a product from Univeral Foam Tech that you can spray drywall type iinterior and stucco like exterior. Their phone number seems to be disconnected.
Any suggestions on where I should start to get info for my project. I would like to deal as local as possible figuring that will help with costs. Any inside to cost saving tips would be appreciated. Right now, I am thinking of hiring a project manager to coordinate everything for me. I previously was going to do a metal building but think in the long run this is a better choice astetically as well as financilly, Thanks, Patty
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Alton
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| 12 Mar 2008 11:42 AM |
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Patty,
Look at this web site: www.strataUS.com This company is located in Arizona. After checking them out, let me know what you think. I am considering using this company's system. |
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cmkavala
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| 12 Mar 2008 11:53 AM |
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Alton;
interesting system, but how would is be held down in hurricane conditions it looks like the wall is glued to footer? |
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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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Roy Traub
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| 12 Mar 2008 01:38 PM |
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Does anyone know of a builder or GC in central Maryland that can finish a SIP, ICF house? |
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Alton
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| 12 Mar 2008 03:27 PM |
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Mr. Kavala,
I asked this same question and many others at the trade show in Orlando. All of my questions including this one was answered well. Tie down is accomplished by placing GFRC on each side of the wall to connect it to the footer. Then regular concrete is placed on each side of the wall on top of the GFRC and footer to lock the wall in place. (After this is done, the wall appears to be sitting down into the footer.) My understanding is that this system has already been exposed to storms and survived well.
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cmkavala
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| 12 Mar 2008 05:33 PM |
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Alton;
Yes, I could see from their detail how it's held down but it is relying on the stregth of the fabric
Was wondering how does one attach anything to top of wall?
Was also wondering since there is no bottom track how do you keep straight until you pour overlaying footer ?
And how to brace the wall for back filling?
The ICS report did not show to much detail
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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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ReadyToRetire
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| 12 Mar 2008 06:02 PM |
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I cannot believe how many images they posted and how little they actually covered.
No editing, no series to show what they were doing, just lots of very similar pictures.
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Greg Freyermuth
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| 12 Mar 2008 06:41 PM |
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Spoke with a rep. today from the company. He referred me to the web site for the video to introduce the system and asked I call him back for a follow up. I still think a MgO SIP is the way to go. Spoke also with the Mag-Board folks and they are already using the MgO with EPS in New Orleans. Couple of others, DragonBoard and MagnumBP out there. Also want to get with the GP folks about their Nensgalss line.
The folks at Mag-Board are limited on the size of the sheets, none longer than 10', but claimed the panels were structural and stackable. We will see... |
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| Greg Freyermuth<br>915-256-7563<br>[email protected]<br> www.energreensips.com |
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Dick Mills
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| 12 Mar 2008 09:07 PM |
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Does Strata use a portland cement with glass fibers? Even if they are using an alkaline resistant glass, portland cements can still degrade the integrity of the fibers. Grancrete has a Magnesium Oxysulphate cement that might work in their application, but their product probably wouldn't be very cost effective. It is possible that they add something acidic to the portland cement to neutralize the alkalinity, but that could have equally destructive consequences.
Dick Mills
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Graham74
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| 27 Mar 2008 11:45 PM |
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AZPatty, try www.energypanelsystems.com, we can take care of your commercial building needs. We are located in Tucson, AZ
Thanks
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PremierC
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| 29 Mar 2008 01:05 PM |
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AZPatty, There is a product that can be applied to the OSB called "Blaze Guard". This product will give you the same fire rating as 1/2" sheetrock, you are able to tape, mud & texture it like sheetrock. It cost approx. $ .75 per sf. You are looking for a SIP manufacturer who can handle a big commercial project. I suggest you go to www.sips.org which is the web site for SIPA ( Structual Insulated Panel Association ). There you will find manufactuers & builders who are setting the standards of SIPS. If you have any more questions please contact me. [email protected]Chris |
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cmkavala
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| 29 Mar 2008 01:15 PM |
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There are many intumescent paint products, such as "blaze guard", but unless there is a reason why you can't use drywall, use of that product is pointless from a cost stand point - it is the same as drywall |
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| Chris Kavala<br>[email protected]<br>1-877-321-SIPS<br /> |
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Jelly
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| 30 Mar 2008 02:37 PM |
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Posted By Gsfrey on 03/12/2008 6:41 PM
Spoke with a rep. today from the company. He referred me to the web site for the video to introduce the system and asked I call him back for a follow up. I still think a MgO SIP is the way to go. Spoke also with the Mag-Board folks and they are already using the MgO with EPS in New Orleans. Couple of others, DragonBoard and MagnumBP out there. Also want to get with the GP folks about their Nensgalss line.
The folks at Mag-Board are limited on the size of the sheets, none longer than 10', but claimed the panels were structural and stackable. We will see... Would Mag-Board be applicable as a substitute for plywood sheathing on a roof? Could you fasten 5v metal crimp to it as you would to plywood/OSB?
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GeorgiaTom
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| 30 Mar 2008 03:45 PM |
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Posted By Jelly on 03/30/2008 2:37 PM
The folks at Mag-Board are limited on the size of the sheets, none longer than 10', but claimed the panels were structural
If sheets are only 10 ft. .....then not to practical on roof |
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Jelly
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| 31 Mar 2008 01:08 AM |
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Posted By GeorgiaTom on 03/30/2008 3:45 PM Posted By Jelly on 03/30/2008 2:37 PM
The folks at Mag-Board are limited on the size of the sheets, none longer than 10', but claimed the panels were structural
If sheets are only 10 ft. .....then not to practical on roof But OSB and plywood are usually only 8 feet?
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wes
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| 31 Mar 2008 07:40 AM |
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Jelly,
OSB is routinely mfg in sizes 4' by 8'-16' lengths, 8' by up to 24'
You just can't buy at the local box store.
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| Wes Shelby<br>Design Systems Group<br>Murray KY<br>[email protected] |
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GeorgiaTom
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| 31 Mar 2008 08:21 AM |
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And steel panels are available 53 feet long
OSB is available up to 28ft. by special order |
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Jelly
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| 31 Mar 2008 10:29 AM |
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I see, I guess I was getting off on a tangent. You're talking about Magnesium Oxide board being used for the panels of a SIPS product. As an aside I was wondering if Magnesium Oxide boards could be used in place of OSB/Plywood sheathing in a traditional roof structure (steel trusses, plywood sheathing, 5V Crimp on top, sprayed foam on the underside).
Sorry for the distraction! But does anybody know the answer? ;) |
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