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EastMark
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| 05/13/2008 12:42 PM |
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I am going to put vertical pine on the wall and T & G on the ceiling,run electric, then put nail based SIPS over it.
Should I paper the pine before I put the panels over it ?
If I decide to use drywall can I still install that first like the pine so we can still wire it the same way ?
I actually have given some thought to drywall on the gable ends and vertical pine on the front and back wall.
Am I nuts ? ;-)
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EastMark
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| 05/14/2008 10:51 AM |
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There was a remark made in ICF forum regarding too much posturing/promoting by members in the business trying to sell their product and not enough genuine generic "green" help from this site.
Seems odd 49 views and no one knows if I should put felt paper over the sheating or if a combination of pine on some walls and board on others causes an issue.
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vtftravis
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| 05/14/2008 11:48 AM |
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Hi Mark,
Felt paper is vapor permiable so it would work fine as a temporary weather barrier. If you were to put the panels on relatively quickly after wiring your roof/walls, the paper would not be needed.
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EastMark
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| 05/14/2008 2:16 PM |
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Thanks Travis. Great info. My faith is renewed. lol
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EastMark
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| 05/14/2008 2:17 PM |
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Travis,
Ever combined wall sheathing types as I mentioned ? Wondering what ass aches it could cause.
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Bluecreek
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| 05/15/2008 1:43 PM |
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Mark,
You might want to look into using Eagle Panel Systems for your roof panels.
They are the only Co. I've found that offer a SIP roof panel w/ T&G as the finished side.
Very time/labor saving as not only is your ceiling finished but also your eves/soffits,
one step install!
You can run your electric from the top side and be ready for roofing in a couple of days.
Just make sure you know EXACTLY what your electrical requirements are going in, very tough
to make changes once the roof is on.
David
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vtftravis
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| 05/15/2008 2:16 PM |
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Hi Mark,
the company's i work for tend to pad out the panels. We build timberframes and usually use a 5/8 spacer between timber and panels. This is just because we do the frame and panels (but not drywall). I have talked to the other PM's prior to actually reading your post, and we all like the idea of hanging sheetrock first (eliminating the need for the spacer.) Are you are thinking about using nailbase panels on the wall too?? I would prefer a panel w/2 skins rather than nailbase so the loads arent all on one skin.
In response to blue creeks resonse, there are finishes already available on the panel, personally when i was installing panels i really hated working with anything but osb or nailbase skins. There is a tendancy for sheetrock and t&g to get marred up. This is just my opinion. Granted it may be easier and quicker to install but then there is added cleanup you would have to deal with compared to installing the t&g first.
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EastMark
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| 05/16/2008 5:59 AM |
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Thanks to you both for some answers. The pre finished panels for a rookie may be prone to damage I agree. The other thing is that they would probably be heavy.With nail based panels we were going to do it without a crane.
On the sheetrock walls (both gables) we thought it best to do panels with 2 sheets OSB for hanging large pictures,cabinets,ect. Actually the spacer you mention isnt a bad idea because it would allow me to get the skins up and weather tight,then electric rough,then put up the pine and drywall. What was it about that process that is an ass ache ? All methods have something! lol
Im wide open to different ideas. Thanks to you both for taking time to respond to me.
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JBS
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| 05/16/2008 7:56 AM |
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There are a number of companies that make a panel with a T&G finish.
The other advantages are:
1. The T&G on a panel is 1x, however when using nail base, very often 2x decking will be necessary ($).
2. Very high ceilings where installing the T&G after the panels will be difficult and slow.
Disadvantages:
1. Customer has less control over the grade, selection or species of wood used as his finished ceiling.
2. Panels are heavy.
3. Panels cannot be slid across the roof.
4. Getting the tongue to match perfectly into the groove of the next panel.
We find that many times the customer can get a better finished ceiling by installing the T&G and then installing pre-cut OSB/OSB panels and sometimes nail base. The builder experienced with T&G panels is the exception.
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EastMark
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| 05/17/2008 1:13 PM |
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All good info!
Im putting 2 x 6 T & G on the ceiling,then 6" polyiso nailbased sips,then 30 lb felt,then double standing seam metal roofing.
I up northern New England in terms of climate....plenty of cold and snow.
Think it should have either 15 or 30 lb paper also before the sips on top of the T & G
or is that overkill ? What are you guys doing ?
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