Posted By smartin on 08/01/2008 11:12 PM
I am looking to build in the next couple of months and want to do a sip main floor. I was looking at the thermocore 4" wall panels. I think they are rated at r-24. I know they are supposed to be high performance, but 4" between you and the outside doesn't seem like much. Is there a "point of diminishing return" with a SiP system? In my mind I would like something a little thicker with a higher R rating, but at what point does the additional cost outweigh increase in performance?
Make sure those 4" panels provide the structural strength you need; Thermocore says they can only be used up to 9' height. Over that you need the 4.5" panel.
But as for your question -- more insulation is always better, but there is definitely a point where it gets more expensive than it's worth. Where that point is depends on your climate, HVAC design, and other building details. The colder the climate, the more important R-value is.
As for 4" seeming thin, you might be intuitively comparing it to a 2x4 stick-built wall, which is an apples and oranges comparison. In a typical stick-built wall, air infiltration is a huge source of inefficiency. They are very difficult to air seal properly. SIPs are much easier to air seal, and with that alone they are easily twice as good as a stick-built wall, before you even start talking about insulation. Think of it this way: if you built a house with R-100 walls and R-200 roof, but then left a couple of windows open all the time, would you have an efficient house? Of course not. An R-24 house that's nearly air-tight will perform better. Then of course you add in the thermal bridging of all those studs and SIPs pull further ahead.
As for the insulation value, Thermocore panels are closed-cell polyurethane foam. That has a higher R-value per inch than EPS. Higher than just about anything else outside of the laboratory, really. So the 3" of foam in there is giving you pretty good insulation. Combine that with the improved air sealing and you've got a very good wall, compared to stick-built. (Just make sure your air barrier is continuous in all the trouble spots: seams, corners, wall/roof, and wall/foundation.)
That said, a 4.5" panel is stronger and provides better R-value, and probably isn't much more expensive. If you use drywall returns in your window jambs the extra depth is not a big deal. Run the numbers before you make that decision. Depending on your climate, I suspect the extra 1/2" will pay back in energy savings within a few years.