hometech Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 12:11 AM |
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I need your help to determine if I still have a business doing SIP panel designs for panel fabrication or as some call it shop drawings. My work comes very useful for roof layouts since they involve complicated compound angles. The SIP workshops I have worked for have automated many of their processes that read the SIP drawings directly to control robotic tools that fabricate the panels, thus obsoleting my services.
My appeal is if there is a business to the DIY persons who are looking to save money and to do the fabrications themselves. I can convert or generate SIP wall fabrication drawings from existing house plans for $500 - $700. SIP roof plans prices vary on the complexity but run about another $200. My plans are very accurate since I build the home in a 3D model and take an imaginary knife to cut it up to SIP panel sizes. My drawings will give all dimensions on how to cut the SIP panels, windows and door openings, as well as, all necessary structural components like headers, post and tie-downs.
Based on the feedback I get to this post, I will build a website featuring my services and provide videos and tools on fabricating your own panels from my drawings. I built my own home with SIP panels but had them fabricated. If I should ever build another home, I would fabricate them myself to save money. I had to pay for shipping the panels twice (once from the SIP supplier to the fabricator and then from the fabricator to my building site) and the labor to fabricate them. If I build again, it would be on cash bases, no more home loans. Who can afford them in this economy?
These automated systems that SIP fabricators used to produce their panels have a huge licensing fee as well as ongoing maintenance fees. Thus if there were any cost savings to the fabricators, the end buyer or customer does not benefit from a price reduction.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated,
Warren |
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hometech Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 1:02 AM |
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| One thing I forgot to add is what a complete package for a home could cost for a SIP shell, walls and roof. Each 8’x24’ 6.5" panel cost = 192 sqft. x $4 sqft. = $768 x 11 panels = $8,448 for blank SIP panels if you are able to pickup and deliver the panels yourself and add about $700 for plans and some for lumber used. Not bad for a 1400 sqft. home. I wish I have done this first. |
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Sip Supply Inc Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 9:20 AM |
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| We supply our fabrication plans, connection details, etc. FREE |
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hometech Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 1:10 PM |
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Sip Supply Inc. Let me get this right. You will convert existing home plans to use SIPs for free and provide the cut layout. My next question is how much do you charge for your SIP panels (8'x24'x6.5") and what areas of the country do you supply to?
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Sip Supply Inc Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 2:56 PM |
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Hometech;
We only deal with steel SIPs for walls, roofs and floors. 4" thru 12" , 45.5" wide x lengths up to 53 ft.. Mainly operate in the Southeast US but, will ship anywhere in the US or abroad ( currently shipping to Guyana)
And yes we will convert from conventional to steel SIP shop drawings free of charge. Our packages include panels, base channels, custom pitched top caps, window and door channels, fascia/ridge& corner covers, all fasteners, steel box beam material and hip/valley integeral beam materials. All interior materials by others |
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chuck07 Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 7:37 PM |
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Chris/Cmkavala/SipSupplyInc,
How many aliases are you posting with? Is it safe to assume you at least are not hometech? |
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hometech Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 8:29 PM |
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Just to make it clear whoever SipSupply is he is not hometech.
It seems I got my answer that independent SIP designers are not in demand and manufactures of the panels are providing this service for free.
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chuck07 Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 9:18 PM |
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| I assumed that was the case. I just wanted to point out that your multiple answers were all from the same person. It is usually better to have more than one persons opinion. If you look at the 3rd post under 'Best SIPS' it appears someone else is doing something similar but they probably work with Chris. However now is a very difficult time to start a new venture that is related to residential construction. The competition for the greatly reduced work out there is fierce. |
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hometech Registered Users
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| 03/01/2009 11:26 PM |
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| Chuck, thanks for your your candid response. |
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cmkavala Registered Users
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PanelCrafters Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 6:19 AM |
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Posted By cmkavala on 03/02/2009 5:49 AM Maybe I am really JC with panelcrafters and I have this inner conflict over osb & steel? No conflict here dud.
When I have a client looking for a Tin Shed, I'll send them your way...
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....jc If you're not building with OSB SIPS(or ICF's), why are you building? |
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cmkavala Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 6:51 AM |
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Posted By PanelCrafters on 03/02/2009 6:19 AM
[u]Posted By cmkavala on 03/02/2009 5:49 AM[/u] Maybe I am really JC with panelcrafters and I have this inner conflict over osb & steel?
[/quote] No conflict here dud. When I have a client looking for a Tin Shed, I'll send them your way... How do we really know thats you JC? ............... when I see hungry and homeless termites I'll send them to ya! |
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Chris Kavala chris@southernsips dot com 1-877-321-SIPS |
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cmkavala Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 6:52 AM |
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| By the way what do you do to protect from termites anyway? |
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Chris Kavala chris@southernsips dot com 1-877-321-SIPS |
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cmkavala Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 2:15 PM |
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Posted By PanelCrafters on 03/02/2009 6:19 AM
When I have a client looking for a Tin Shed, I'll send them your way...
Tin Shed.............. |

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Chris Kavala chris@southernsips dot com 1-877-321-SIPS |
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The Sipper Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 4:30 PM |
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| hometech, don't give up so easily, remember there's no such thing as a "free lunch" (unless you're on welfare) and it follows that there's no such thing as "free" SIP shop drawings. They may be included in the price but they're not "free". What part of the country are you located in? That probably doesn't make much difference since all of the transfers of data can be accompished electronically At this point this is just an inquiry but I do have to pay real money for shop drawings, so your posting caught may attention. |
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hometech Registered Users
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| 03/02/2009 11:11 PM |
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| Sipper, I'm located in N. California. Thanks for responding. I have two business ventures one wtih SIPs and other with the WEB. I wanted to know which one I should stay with. I know and experience with SIPs, but the WEB is something new for me and will need development before becoming profitabe. |
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JeffD Registered Users
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| 03/05/2009 12:30 PM |
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hometech,
Only offering shop drawings as a basis for your business, may not be enough, especially in a poor economy. A set of diverse services to offer the potential customer is better. Our company offers; SIP project structural design, SIP shop drawings, SIP material estimates, Permit Drawings, Schematic design, Design development, On-site SIP training, Building department trouble shooting and SIP project planning including energy systems integration. These sevices relate to SIP structures from sheds and carports to multifamily residences and warehouses.
P.S. Shop drawings are never free. The supplier bids them into the package of materials one way or another. |
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panelwright Registered Users
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| 03/05/2009 2:54 PM |
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Warren, Your business model has a lot of potential. The need for qualified designers in this industry is only outpaced by the need for qualified installers. I have used subcontract designers many times. The advantage is obvious and if you're good, the work is there. Another phase of design work that is often needed is allocating or nesting panels to improve yield. This is but a step away from converting your drawings into machine language. If your not familiar with the CNC capabilities in the industry, you would do well to learn the standards by which they operate. The amount of CNC fabrication in the SIP industry is increasing all the time and more machines are still being ordered. Proficiency in this area makes your services attractive to the many larger SIP manufacturers. If you'd like additional information, contact me directly. In addition, keep an eye open for the SIP design symposium that's scheduled for later this year. The networking opportunity alone would serve you well.
Good luck, Al Cobb
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