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Forums > Green Building Technologies > Radiant Heating > Subject: Radiant layout in basement

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09/05/2008 10:01 AM  

We finally broke ground and will be laying ICF blocks shortly.  In the basment, I am planning radiant heat and still considering the options.  It will be finished with two bedrooms, one bath and a living area for my two boys, total finshed area is 1600 sq ft.  I am leaning toward one zone for the entire area.  I realize I will need multiple runs of 1/2 inch pex, but is there any reason to add multiple zones? 

 

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09/05/2008 5:32 PM  

 As a follow up question to my first question...

 

Since I will be installing radiant in the basement slab, should I follow through and put radiant in the entire house?  It is a simple ranch with a walk out basment, ICF from the footers to the rafters.  The first floor will be wood I-joists with wood floors throughout the house except the wet areas will be tiled.  I am planning to heat the main floor with forced air, but I keep leaning back to the radiant since I will have it in the basment. 

My location is rural Kansas City, the house will be all electric and wood will contribute sunstantially to the heat in the living/dining/kitchen area.  My reluctance with radiant on the main floor is the use of a wood subfloor and the associated loss in effeciency. 

 

If I go with just basement radiant, I plan to use a 40 gallon electric water heater as my heat source.  If I go with radiant through out the house, will two 40 gallon tanks suffice?  I have already decided against an open system, dhw will be provided through a tankless unit, brand yet to be determined. 

 

Lots of questions, all answers and input welcome.

 

Dug 

   

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09/06/2008 6:47 AM  

Dug,

 

I'm new to this too, so no expert. I'm thinking that a large area is going to require several loops. Might as well make the loops have dedicated rooms. By using a manafold with valve control,  manual temp balance and or shutting off a room is an option. You just have to make sure the thermostat is in an area that will always be heated.

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09/13/2008 2:19 PM  
Have a heat loss calculation done for the basement. Determine how large the loops would have to be for the basement as a whole or individual loops for smaller zones. The pumps would have to be sized accordingly and large loops can cause for much larger pumps that could be expensive opposed to having multiple manifolds with their own pumps per loop using injection piping. The smaller pumps and injecting piping will offer comfort and more effective heating system in the long run if combined with programmable stats. As for your heat source calculate the cost of a kwh vs propane per gallon (or maybe you have natural gas available). Using the electric hot water heater will not recover quickly enough to sustain heating a large area. You may get 9gph recovery on a 70 degree delta T(4500w elements and 208V). Now you have to heat 40 gallons of water plus the water in the piping system. A condensing boiler could be used in the application and the out going water temperature could be set from the unit itself. Radiant is a low temp application opposed to baseboard heat. The term "Condensing Boiler" refers to the flue gas condensing to complete the combustion cycle making mostly water and CO2. However the efficiency ratings on condensing boilers are in the 90+ percentile. A standard boiler cannot achieve condensing efficiency due to the blocks being cast iron or steel bodied. Thus they only achieve 88% maximum and may require S.S exhaust piping. ALL OF THIS WORK IS NOT FOR A DIY. Proper loop designs, piping, sizing, knowledge of heat transfer products etc... will be needed. Jumping on the forms to get a "quick answer" will only get yourself into a predicament. Speak with an HVAC contractor who specializes in hydronic heating applications.
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