devonjones
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| 11/06/2008 12:51 PM |
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I am looking for a SIP Builder that has been approved by the ICC and can build in the city of Houston. Big project in need of response. Thank you in advance for all replies.
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buggly
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| 11/11/2008 8:52 AM |
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| We can supply your sip needs in Houston for any project, we are located in Conroe TX You can contact me at david@bridlewoodconstruction.com |
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devonjones
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| 11/11/2008 10:58 AM |
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Have your Magnum Board Products received ICC approval. This is a must for this large scale project. Thank you in advance for your reply.
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KwikBuild
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| 11/12/2008 2:52 PM |
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We have our ICC approvals, one & two hr fire rating as an assembly. Baylor University used our panels for their 4 story dorms and were very happy with the product. We have a plant located in Western Virginia. let me know what you think!
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judy
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| 11/14/2008 11:56 AM |
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| The leading SIP builder in Texas, as well as world wide is EH SYSTEMS. They have a rep in Houston, the plant is based in New Braunfels. Contact Steve Reno at 281-381-2435. |
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devonjones
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| 11/19/2008 12:13 PM |
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| I have narrowed my search to two suppliers...both of which claim to have the best product. Can someone that is non-biased give me your honest opinion of which SIP is better OSB or Cement Fiber Board. We have a 550 home project (ranging from 1200 sq ft -2000 sq ft) that is coming the first part of the year and we need to make a decision soon. Thank you in advance for your response. |
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cmkavala
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| 11/19/2008 12:43 PM |
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Posted By devonjones on 11/19/2008 12:13 PM
I have narrowed my search to two suppliers...both of which claim to have the best product. Can someone that is non-biased give me your honest opinion of which SIP is better OSB or Cement Fiber Board. We have a 550 home project (ranging from 1200 sq ft -2000 sq ft) that is coming the first part of the year and we need to make a decision soon. Thank you in advance for your response. Since you have not considered steel, if those were my only 2 choices, I would use OSB over Cement Fiber.
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Chris Kavala
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sreno
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| 11/19/2008 1:08 PM |
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Our Company, EH Systems is located in New Braunfels, TX and we manufacture SIP panels using OSB and EPS. EH manufactures 4' x panels with lengths to 24'. We also have just finished installing our Jumbo Panel Equipment along with super cutter. What that means is all of the panels you willl use show up to the jobsite pre-cut with all of your windows and doors already cut out. These jumbo panels are 8'x24. We can make them longer using splines and attaching addional panels.
My contact information is 830-632-1507. I live in Houston and work in New Braunfel most of the week but can meet in Houston at any time.
Thanks...Steve Reno |
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KwikBuild
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| 11/19/2008 1:13 PM |
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Since you plan to use conventional sips and not a lighter, easer and healthier product to work with! Here are a few things to think about!
OSB will breakdown if exposed to rain or inclement weather. It also contains Formaldehyde an unhealthy off gassing. This wood product also exposes you to termites, rot and mold. Using the cement fiberboard in lieu of OSB will increase the weight of you panels. I have not research the composite of cement fiberboard, so I cannot speak on it health issues. Using either OSB or fiberboard you will increase the cost through the use of heavy equipment to set the panels where steel SIPs can easily be set by hand!
Good luck!
David, KwikBuildPanels.com
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The Sipper
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| 11/19/2008 6:59 PM |
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I'm sure that last post is going to generate a great number of responses. After many years of maintaining the role of a "spectator" in connection with this forum, I felt compelled to finally make a brief comment (or two)
I might first mention that I'm not a "rookie" in the fields of SIPs (15 years), "Industrialized" housing (35 years), Marketing and Sales (48 years), and still don't consider myself to be the ultimate authority in any of these areas. That is why I spend a considerable amount of my time reading the comments of others on sites such as this, finding many of them to be helpful and informative.
However, if there was ever a candidate for banishment from participation in a forum such as this, the author of the subject post would get my vote, unless he immediately posts an apology, along with a retraction. If "banishment" is not an option due to the free speech rights that we enjoy in this country, then I hope that a few of you "regulars" will join me in making "David" aware that this type of negative posting is not acceptable. His comments ranged from being inaccurate to completely false but I'm not going to take the time and space to address each and every one of these items, others may do that if they'd like.
The primary problem with these types of postings, if they go unchallenged, is that many of this forum's participants are "non industry types" who are sincerely seeking to be educated, and looking for the best options for their particular projects. These folks could very easily take a self serving, blatantly false, posting, such as the one that is the subject of these comments, as the gospel truth, and make a decision that might not be in their best interests. They may also then share these misrepresentations with others. I happen to think that each of the products, that are being discussed in this thread, have benefits and drawbacks, depending upon the specific project that is being addressed.
I'll be interested in seeing how many of you real "industry pros" agree with my take on this issue, as well as how many might disagree.
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devonjones
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| 11/19/2008 9:03 PM |
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Amen! I understand that within this shaky economy, most business are trying to pull in as many customers as they can. However; a true businessman would never down the competitors product or service....instead he would clearly state the benefits of his own product so that the consumer could make an informed decision. In this age of the internet, you must think very carefully prior to making a statement that could reflect negatively about your product, services or intent.
With that said....if anyone can shine some light on the pros and cons of using OSB or Cement Fiber Sips, I would greatly appreciate the assistance. |
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judy
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| 11/19/2008 9:38 PM |
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| well, i am just a consumer, not in the sales part of it...so i am just going on my own research...and by the way...mr. kwikbuild, your information is way wrong...so i also just suggest if youre interested like i was, just do your due dilligence and take notes. many people that are commenting have a one sided opinion because that is what they sell right now...until they choose another job. check the resources, ask clients that have used either of the products etc. good luck. |
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rnortman
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| 11/20/2008 10:23 AM |
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Posted By devonjones on 11/19/2008 9:03 PM
With that said....if anyone can shine some light on the pros and cons of using OSB or Cement Fiber Sips, I would greatly appreciate the assistance.
I think the primary advantage of OSB or FC (fiber cement) over steel is that they are breathable, and steel is not, therefore trapped moisture behind the steel will not dry out. I guess you have to be very careful to get a good seal around all seams and fasteners. The advantage of FC over OSB is that it is tolerant of persistant moisture, whereas OSB will degrade if kept wet all the time. (It can get a little wet so long as it is allowed to dry out and not stay wait for a long time, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.) FC is also more resistant to termites. Both of them are heavier than steel skins, which makes installation more difficult.
I have heard that getting EPS to adhere to FC is tricky. Most manufacturers have more experience with OSB. If you want to try something different, make sure you're not being a guinea pig for the manufacturer, and get a warranty against delamination. I think it may not be as much of an issue with PUR foam.
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KwikBuild
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| 11/20/2008 1:52 PM |
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Whoooooeeee! This is the kind of talk I hear from stick builders when they hear me talking about SIPs!
Bringing up facts is NOT about knocking OTHER PRODUCTS. OSB SIPS work for some and Steel SIPs for others. As you say, different products for different needs. Items I brought up were:
a. Exposure to rain or inclement weather - Place an OSB SIP along side a Steel SIP in rain, and see which holds up. If you are not aware of this, please try it.
b. Contains Formaldehyde - Here is an excerpt from the EPA’s web site:
“The dried wafers then are conveyed to the blender, where they are blended with resin, wax, and other additives. The most commonly used binders are thermosetting phenol-formaldehyde and isocyanate resins. From the blender, the resinated wafers are conveyed to the former, where they are metered out on a continuously moving screen system. The mat forming process is the only step in thema manufacturing process in which there is any significant difference between WB and OSB production”
For complete information go to the EPA’s web site: www.epa.org
c Wood products - termites, rot, and mold problems. This goes without saying.
d Cement fiberboard - Lighter than OSB???? Our standard panels are 1.3 to 1.5 lbs/sq ft. Match that to either a cement fiberboard SIP or OSB SIP! Not to mention their requirement for heavy equipment for moving and installation.
I too have extensive experience in the construction industry. My point of view has grown from hard-earned field experience, … not necessarily marketing.
David, KwikBuildPanels
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