Posted By FredWalter on 09/02/2007 5:34 PM
It has no foundation. (The bottom beams are either sitting on the ground, or sitting on fieldstones, so that the addition is *mostly* level.) After at least 50+ years, I figure the building has settled as much as it is going to settle,
Don't count on it, especially if there is wood in contact or close proximity to the ground. It'll continue to rot and settle. The soil moisture level can change and possibly allow more settling. What about frost and frost heaves? That could cause the old wall to move with respect to the new inner wall. You need a foundation.
Here is what I'm thinking of doing:
- putting down a layer of plastic sheeting (2 overlapping pieces of 8' wide "general purpose polyethylene film" (it doesn't say how thick it is)
Two times 8' doesn't give much overlap. Plus you should consider bringing the plastic up the outer walls a couple of feet if you do the inner/outer wall thing.
- putting down 6 layers of 1"-thick pink foam board insulation (R5/inch, the stuff you buy at Home Depot), with the joints staggered so they don't overlap, and the joints taped with red "tuck tape"
Don't know that 6" vs. 4" inches will buy you much. You do need to come up with a scheme to get insulation down into the ground around the perimeter close to frost depth. That's where you'll lose the greatest amount of heat. Interior of the space the ground won't get much colder than maybe 13 to 16C.
Also, since the perimeter of the slab will be at, or near, ground level with essentially no frost protection you will need to pour a footing down to frost depth to provide stability.
If by "tuck tape" you're referring to duct tape, forget it. Duct tape adhesive drys out and crumbles in a few years. The one thing duct tape ain't good for is sealing ducts! Consider a foam adhesive.
- putting at least 2" of this insulation between the sides of where the concrete slab will go, and my existing building
- putting down 8'x4' sheets of wire mesh over the entire surface (using "wire mesh chairs" if I can find a place that will sell them to me)
- putting down 4" diameter piping (for air)
Seriously rethink the air idea. You'll be hard put to find anyone who thinks it's a viable way to heat a concrete floor. You'd be far better off to use hydronic. Much, much, more efficient.
- pouring a 8" thick concrete slab
Four inches is more than adequate. Use hydronic and you won't need the thickness. Less concrete will also give you a much better response time when you turn on the heat, or raise the temperature. Use fiber reinforced concrete and you won't need to mess with the wire mesh. It'll take hours, if not days, to bring 8" of concrete up to temperature using air.
- when the concrete has cured enough, framing a new interior wall, with the new wall attached to the concrete slab, with the studs in the new wall offset from the existing studs in the outer wall (to provide a thermal break between the outside of the addition and the inside of the addition)
- at least a couple of inches of spray-foam insulation (I'm thinking Tiger Foam) in the outer walls, with the rest of the cavity filled with cheaper insulation (or I may just splurge and fill the entire cavity with spray foam insulation)
Of your entire plan, this part makes the most sense to me. However, if you put in a foundation you may be able to create a well insulated wall without adding the new interior wall.
I say you should just bite the bullet and put in a foundation under the existing exterior wall. Rebuild the bottom portion of the wall as needed to sit solidly on the the new foundation. Then you can never be accused of "cobbling it together!"
If you haven't done it, get a real heating/cooling load calculation done. Explore various scenarios and find the one works best for you. Sorry to be blunt, but when you talk about using 6" under the slab and 2" around the perimeter I'm questioning just how well you understand how heat flows out from a building.