Radiant on 2nd floor of Post & Beam
Last Post 19 Nov 2007 10:55 AM by bigelow. 6 Replies.
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15 Nov 2007 11:08 AM

I'm in the planning stages of building a post and beam, my 2nd one.  The second floor floor joists will be 6x6 hemlock, 4ft on center, and will be exposed to be seen from first floor.

First frame i did 2x6 t&g pine, works great, makes a nice ceiling below, nice floor above.  that is in a ski chalet that is rustic, wood stove etc......great.

But now I am looking to do another frame, and want to have sheetrock for the ceiling instead of the underside of the floor.  Sheetrock will be laid on top of the joists up stairs.  I would like to have radiant in that floor, and here is my idea, let me know if this is possible:

Sheetrock goes down first on top of floor joists on second floor.  then 2x6 dim. lumber will be laid out on top of floor joists (strapping of sorts) with sheetrock sandwiched in between.  Then the flooring will be laid, perpendicular to joists, most likely the 2x6 t&g pine again.  The result will be a cavity between the sheetrock and floor.  Can i lay radiant in there.?  I am assuming I might have to double up the 2x6 strapping to allow for insulation etc for the radiant install.

I know warm boad is probably the easiest and best solution, but I can't afford their prices.

My idea wouldn't have the pex stapled to the floor, but would basically be laying on the insulation (good? bad? alternatives?).  I would have to align/secure pex using a fastner of sorts.  Would put down some foil faced insulation to help radiate upwards.

headroom isn't an issue.

Is this a possibility or just a halfbaked idea?

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16 Nov 2007 07:50 AM
We are a contractor in the midwest. We build only ICF homes. For our radiant installs we use Crete-Heat.
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16 Nov 2007 11:28 AM
I think the drywall would eventually crush and crumble being pressed between the 2x6 sleepers and the floor joists. Sorry, I don't know enough about radiant to know if laying the tube in a narrow space would work. The thick floor might also cause a problem for heat transfer.
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16 Nov 2007 02:11 PM
I know a framer here in town who has done the sheetrock sandwich without issue.

I was thinking last night about heat transfer through that much mass......you might have a good point.
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16 Nov 2007 02:28 PM
First, why not just drywall in between the beams/joists instead of trying to make it a layer on top of the floor?

Sheetrock isn't a great flooring material, as far as i know. You could still do the strapping and sandwich on top, if you like, without the drywall being a "structural" layer... your framer might be getting lucky, but I wouldn't do it, not ever. You've seen what happens when sheetrock gets wet. Why make it "structural" with a risk like that?

With any sandwich, you should consider the use of lightweight plates and PEX-AL-PEX. reflective insulation and bare pipe MIGHT be enough to keep the space warm, but it won't do it particularly efficiently.
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16 Nov 2007 03:11 PM

First the use of drywall as a supporting structural member will not work. 

You will require some type of insulation in the floor to direct the heat to the upstairs.  4 to 1 rule  4 R-Values of insulation for every 1 R-value of floor resistance.  otherwise it will become a  poor radiant ceiling heating system and a marginal second floor system. 

Warmboard is an appropriate solution but lacks the r-value.  Roth Panel System, better solution.  also the radiant without panel will have to have some sort of plate system for it to work as a low energy alternative.  heating without plates will require extreme higher water temperatures. 

 

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19 Nov 2007 10:55 AM

Laying the sheetrock down on the joists cuts down on labor.  Maybe its not a good idea from a compression/sandwich point of view.  But I didn't really think of it as being a structural component.  However, with a bunch of pex filled with water I guess there may be some structural concerns for weight reasons.....

The sheetrock approach can be changed/modified.  Thanks for comments

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