Vertex VS Navien
Last Post 07 Jan 2011 09:32 AM by BadgerBoilerMN. 2 Replies.
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06 Jan 2011 10:29 PM
Building a custom house; owners want a back up-generator, so I am switching gears from Electric mini-boiler & Marathon 105 gal electric H2O heater to LP systems so my generator can run the entire house (Power load will greatly diminish w/ gas).  I am very familiar w/ electric systems. But know very little first hand about gas.  My Plumber says to go with a 50 gallon Vertex w/ a double flat plate heat exchanger and my HVAC sub says to go with a Navien Combi water heater.  I have Hydronic in-floor heat needs as well well as domestic hot water needs.  Slab on grade house 1600 sq ft w/ a 24 x 24 attached garage.  Located in -western WI.  I trust both tradesman and know they specialize in hydronic heating systems, and have worked with both parties previously.  The house will be a second home for the owners - I really have no idea how much time they will spend in the house.  I do like the idea of the Navien because we can tie into the Air-handler and air source heat pump in the off chance the something may happen to the in-floor heat system.  Any one have opinions on either system  (Navien or Vertex) 
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07 Jan 2011 09:11 AM
I would almost always prefer a tank to a tankless in a heating application. The vertex is good. HTP Phoenix is good too.
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07 Jan 2011 09:32 AM
Rob is right,

But don't forget the 24 year old Polaris condensing water heater. Nearly all of my small home designs now incorporate a condensing water heater and SINGLE-WALL heat exchangers. The question also comes up about plumbers servicing high tech equipment like the Navien. It is not in any plumbing training course.

The ICC allows single-wall heat exchangers, as do the state plumbing codes of WI, MN and most others. Double-wall heat exchangers are almost NEVER required or needed in residential applications, while they ALWAYS waste electricity and fuel.

What will happen to the radiant floor?

I find most redundant air handler hydro-coils unused. More of an expensive crutch for non-believers. A mini-split is my choice on most radiant floor designs. Plenty of back-up, with much smaller emergency generator demand.
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