Here's an update on my 100 percent hydronic radiant heating system since I began back in 2005.
The
Good Vs Bad. Well almost all of it's good.... almost :)This is about my
experience with Radiant heating and what my thoughts and views were
over the course of the time frame.
My
setup is still the same setup that we designed almost 2 decades ago.
During my remodel I hired a licensed plumber which wasn't easy to find
back then. Especially someone's "dad" with experience and knowledge with
radiant heat. Today, I still remain friends with the plumber since I
believe I was his confidence kick starter to radiant heating industry
and it's success story. He's filthy rich now by parlaying into RE. Yes,
he called his master plumber dad and daddy knew what to do. Back in
2005, I decided to go all in with the Newest latest and greatest
Hydronic Hot water radiant heating. I knew in Italy this was already
happening so I figured lets do this.
Well today everyone's doing it like Solar.
I'm
still using oil heat which is now very expensive to heat with fossil
fuel in NYC with a 30 percent markup over spot heating oil. This is probably going to be my last year with expensive oil however electricity cost 33KWH in NYC almost 50% increase because of the delivery charges Con Ed tacks on this year alone.
I'm
thinking a heat pump or evacuated tubes.... that's another story. To
think I paid $1.40 a Gallon just 2 years ago now add a $4 spot+ to this.
I have three different zone with three different setups. The first one was the cement Slab on the first floor. This was perhaps the best type of radiant heat for me. The
worst part was giant I-beams of steel getting bob catted and pushed into
the basement through a tiny hole in the front of my house created by these steel workers then
telling me to watch my basement to make sure my basement didn't catch on fire. Yes they need to
secure the load of the concrete weight and lots of supporting non
adjustable welded steel poles that had to be professionally torched in
place. That was not fun as my wooden house still made The Amityville Horror
sounds almost one month later. About 2 months later we were ready for
the cement. Once that was done it was on to the tiles. Hiring
tile guys that knew radiant heating again the same story. Everyone says
they can do it but making sure they do it right is another story. I
made sure they made a walkway so that they didn't puncture my tubing
while they were walking through the house. They were very good and
careful to make sections of concrete island that were laser leveled. I
was not lucky with the other trades that just didn't give two craps and
walked on my tubing. I had made sure to keep the pressure testing extra
long because of that. The slab of cement contained about 6 inches to 4
inches of cement. Each loop was 150 feet to 250 feet range. Nothing
exceeded 300 not even my outside cement walkway which is yet to be used
but its ready when I hit the lottery.
The
Second Zone was a staple up to the back side of 100 year old oak
floors. This perhaps was the most painfully slow process that I had to
remove each and every nail out from the floor as well as install
aluminum sheets along with aluminum staple up plates. The sheets were to
transfer the heat evenly throughout the wooden floor. This was a step
you cannot skip or you would feel the cold spots as wood sucks
transferring radiant heat when compared to cement. No comparison between cement floor and a staple up!
Both will achieve the same temperature but the clear winner is the
cement slab. Why? because the cement slab will hold its temperature for
hours....wood not so much. Both temperatures can be equal but my love
goes to the cement floor that is just me and my cats. One interesting
note is that my heat loss was greater upstairs as I was remodeling the
entire home. As a result I did have drafty windows which were all
replaced with Anderson 400 series and was the best decision to date. My
only regret was using spray foam ...which leaks a tiny annoying amount
of freezing cold air. I later went on to work at Anderson and they told
me never use spray foam. Yup found that out then I used rock-wool to
seal those gaps. I still have unfinished projects :) regarding the
upstairs each room has a zone value controller so that every room can
have a different temperature. Now my wife and my daughter like the room
freezing to death. I told my wife she needs to sleep outside and I guess
its me that's going. Needlessly, I'm upside with my cats on the first
floor! I'm kidding or am I? My daughter keeps the heat almost off to 62F
in here room. I like it 72f in my office. Everyone wins meaning my wife
and kids.
The
last zone or third zone was Radiant WALLS. Now this is some interesting
$HIT. I did this to my basement and I have such a low heat loss in my
basement I can literally use piss warm water to heat my basement. Very
interesting and VERY FAST SETUP for radiant heating that you don't have
to touch the existing floors. Since I needed the height in my basement
and the only way to do the job right would be to insulate the hell out
of the floor losing like a foot! So I did the walls. I will definitely
incorporate this kind of wall heating in the future. I really do like
this why? Because it's instant heat FAST. My Basement is now my office
since I won't work in the City for various reasons. Well I bet you can
guess the downside too. She loses heat faster than a NYC subway car.
The Pros:
The cement slab
floor is always be warm and it never loses heat once fired up. The floor is like a
warm beach but only after you balance the zones. Once it's balanced then
everywhere you walk is almost the same temperature. I have become
spoiled as I don't like forced hot air at all after enjoying radiant
floor heating for years. Each different house I walk into you can tell
the difference right away. Pets
absolutely love radiant heating slab flooring....I mean love it. My cats
are upside down with their paws in the air that's how much they love
it.
Radiant Heating just feels normal and
it's out of sight out of mind like breathing until you go elsewhere
then you remember what you have. Also one temperature is fine for the
open space first floor which is beautiful. Upstairs that's not an option
thankfully. Ill get to that later.
The
Cons: When you first get started every year on a freezing cold day I
mistakenly turn up the thermostat (with a slab sensor) and wind up
roasting
everyone to death. Yup I make the same mistake over and over. I like
warm hot weather my wife hates hot weather and humidity so No
Florida for me. Very sad.... anyway I don't know if its just me but but
my thermostat is NOT SMART, and no need to be. Once you set it and
forget it
your good to go but I have to remember yearly that one can't make the
SLAB floor heat faster! :) I use the yellow taco Bumble
Bee Pumps set at Delta T 20F so I don't crack my floors with a large
differential
especially when you first turn it on for the season. That was a big
saving from my Brutus 011 Tacos. They were a beast but no delta or not
enough so I changed them out.
Back in
2003, I fully restored an old Victorian home in NYC. There were some
challenges such saving the old oak wooden floors. This required using a
staple up to heat these floors.
See these
original pictures still hosted here. 100kb is too small for my latest
pictures but its all the same. Oh I forget to add that drilling 100 year
old oak wood burns bits like mad. Not to mention you might get a
cracked jaw :)
The Cons:
This may seem insane to most but don't talk about radiant heating to
certain NYC people. They wish you the worst life seriously. I was so
happy originally when everything was working and installed that I use to
tell everyone. Well, it really makes people feel bad or like they made a
mistake with forced hot air. Steam heat is DA BEST! yup go along if you
dare. I'm not wrong! Occupy Radiant Heating Street is a thing here.
The only other con about radiant heating is that because of my setup I
do get some rust from the boiler in the lines every few years. Thus you
must clean out the old boiler rust or use a heat ex changer with the
radiant heat. My setup was boiler water directly at 170F mixed own to
130F yes that a waste but then again oil use to be cheap. I also have an
80 Gallon indirect tank for DHW.
In
Short, I recommend radiant heating to anyone as long as you remember to
start the loops at the windows and doors. Too many contractors just
wing it with the loops and do it incorrectly with the last line of the
loop at the greatest heat loss. I can tell you builders that did this
totally backwards and F%^ked up the radiant heat experience as it
overheats certain newer homes. They even used the return as supply but
HEY its green energy right? You definitely can do it just take your time
with the blueprints first. I used loop cad not sure if its still around
but that helped me tremendously.
best of Luck and I hope to do another update if I'm still here :)