Sealing the concrete wall around geo pipes
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22 Mar 2008 11:35 AM

Hello,

I recently had a Climatemaster geothermal system installed in my house.  Thus far the heat pump performance has been great and I recently posted about my positive experience with the sytem, in another thread.

I am having one minor problem, that I would like to fix. 

The region aroung the geo pipes, where they enter the basement through the poured concrete wall, leaks when it rains.  I area is especially bad and I would like to fix the leaks.  The installer used isobutylene caulk to seal the gap between the concrete and the pipes. However, that is not working very well.   

I want to know what other installers on this board use to seal the gap between the pipes and concrete.

I look forward to your suggestions.

Thanks and regards,

VK

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22 Mar 2008 12:36 PM

 Hi VK,

Have you talked with the installer about correcting the issue? Seems they would have some responsibility here.

This problem could be caused by an number of things, including improper backfill of the excavation work. Water around the outside of basement wall needs to flow down to the footing and into the drain tile that ties into the sump. The backfill around the outside of the basement is a permeable sand with the last foot or so near ground level is top soil. If the installer backfilled the excavation hole with non-permeable soil, like clay, this will trap water up against the basement wall and allow enough pressure to build to force in past the tubing no matter what you try to seal it with. Bottom line, to fix this correctly, the outside will most likely need to be re-excavated and backfilled to allow water to flow to the footing.  Sorry!

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Eric D<br>Southern Michigan
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22 Mar 2008 02:21 PM
there is a product called Link Seals that works great for sealing around the pipes.  We have used this product with good success.  I am out of town on a slow internet connection or I would give you a link.
Dewayne Dean

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22 Mar 2008 03:24 PM
Dewayne,

I understand you are on the road.  I was interested in the Link Seals you mentioned and looked up there website.  Here is a LINK.  Looks like a great product for use in new concrete job.  I'll keep them in mind.  Any idea on cost?

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Eric D<br>Southern Michigan
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22 Mar 2008 03:44 PM
Thanks to both Eric and Dewayne,

Eric, I have spoken to the installer about this problem. He noted it and had one of his employees re-excavate the area where the pipes enter the basement. What ever was done definitely improved the problem but did not eradicate it.

Initially, two of the four pipe entrances were leaking. After the re-excavation, only one is leaking. I am hoping that once things warm up outside the installer will be able to re-dig and fix the problem.

Part of the problem is that the back fill over the trench has not settled yet and the mound of soil has adversely affected the water drainage in the front of my house. This is causing the water to collect above the area, where the pipes enter the basement. This collection of water may be contributing to the problem. We defintely need to improve the grade around this area. But that will not completely fix the problem.

Dewayne, Link Seal looks like a great product. I guess it is too late for me because the pipes have already been fused and installed inside the house. I will definitely send the link Eric provided to my installer so that he may consider using it for other installations in the future. I wish he could have used this in my house too.
I hope he will be able to fix my problem.

Dewayne, I also want to complement you on your very informative web site and thank you for the time you have taken to post regularly on this board. I for one, have learnt a lot about Geo systems from all of your old posts.


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VK
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22 Mar 2008 06:38 PM
Posted By jvk on 03/22/2008 3:44 PM
Dewayne, I also want to complement you on your very informative web site and thank you for the time you have taken to post regularly on this board. I for one, have learnt a lot about Geo systems from all of your old posts.


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VK
Thanks for your kind words. 

Links Seals can be installed from inside after the pipes are through the hole.  The best way to solve the problem is as you mentioned...keep water from collecting on the ground above the loop entrance.   The links  are designed to form a water tight seal.

As long as you still have access to the pipes, you should be able to install the links if you desire.

Good luck and let us know what happens.

Dewayne Dean

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25 Mar 2008 10:09 PM
Dewayne,

Thanks for your note.

From the pictures on the Link Seal web site I could not tell if the EPDM seal rings could be installed after the pipes have been hooked up to the circulating pumps .
I had imagined that the free ends of the pipes would have to be passed through the rings before they were installed to the flow center - only then could the rings (like gaskets or O-rings) be made to seal against the concrete wall. Obviously that does not seem to be the case.

Could you please provide a little more detail as to how the Link Seals can be installed from inside the basement with out unhooking the pipes from the flow center.

Greatly appreciate your help.

Best regards,

VK
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25 Mar 2008 10:14 PM
Dewayne,

I spend a little more time on the Link Seal web site and I think I now understand how the seal rings can be installed after the pipes have already been connected.

Sorry for being very slow on the uptake.

VK
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