mllewellyn
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| 02 Feb 2009 06:37 AM |
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I am runnning a 4 ton earthlinked closed loop Geo system (In southeast Michigan) that is only used to heat the home, no water heating. My energy usage is running well over 200% more than the numbers the installer quoted. I have been monitoring my air temp at the plenum with a digital thermometer with an insertable probe. I'm running at a constant 98 degrees in first stage, as of February 1. Is this a normal temp for this system or should it be running at a higher temp. I know that Geo systems do not run as hot as conventional fuel systems, but I am wondering if this is contributing to my high electirc usage?
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joe.ami
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| 02 Feb 2009 07:41 AM |
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Return air temp is a factor. If you have something in the neighborhood of a 20* increase it could be fine. Do you know what percent of the load is handled by geo? Have you disconnected power to your 2nd (aux.) stage? J |
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engineer
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| 02 Feb 2009 08:35 AM |
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98 sounds OK, maybe even at the upper end of the typical range, 20-25 deg above return temp measured at the unit. |
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geo fan
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| 03 Feb 2009 05:51 PM |
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DX systems will give a 30 degree average rise so if your 68 and getting 98 its perfect on the temp side not high
what was the KWH per month and what area |
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joe.ami
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| 03 Feb 2009 09:12 PM |
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A note of caution, a 30* rise for first stage of DX and 1 stage geo may be normal, though there are lots of provisos. A 20* rise for 1 of 2 stage water source or a tightly designed system (due to duct limitations in a retrofit system) might be normal as well. The general nature of the question causes us to answer generally. j |
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mllewellyn
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| 04 Feb 2009 05:23 AM |
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The temp of the return air is 70*. The temp a the plenum is 98*. My KWH usage for the month of January was 3000KWH. The temp set at 69*.
This is all on a 2 year old home built with energy efficiency in mind. Well over R50 blown cellulose in the attic, blown cellulose in the walls, and very high energy efficient windows. |
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wirechief
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| 04 Feb 2009 11:36 AM |
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My Kwh usage for January with a HDD of 1658 was 2723 (includes appliances, water heater,lights ect) my house is 1500sqft R12 in my ceiling, energy efficient windows. We are north of Grand Rapids Mich. |
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| 1500 sq ft home with 5 ton Geocomfort heat pump<br>desuperheater,3200ft of horz loop. Howard city,MI. |
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joe.ami
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| 04 Feb 2009 01:27 PM |
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You did raise a flag for me....1500 sf and a 4 ton seem unlikely. But heat load calc would determine that. Is this a ranch? Was a manual J load performed or was sizing guessed at? J |
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wirechief
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| 04 Feb 2009 02:11 PM |
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joe my comments were for comparisions of his usage with mine but I have a 5 ton and I am not sure if a manual J was done, I hadn't even heard of that method of determining heating/cooling loads before researching geothermal threads, they did use a geocomfort design studio program which gives a lot of information and for this am's temp of 7 deg it would be a space load of 44899 btu/hr and geo furnishing 44899 btu/h running 100% mllewellyn didnt mention the size of his house or his HDD |
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| 1500 sq ft home with 5 ton Geocomfort heat pump<br>desuperheater,3200ft of horz loop. Howard city,MI. |
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mllewellyn
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| 04 Feb 2009 02:20 PM |
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Wirechief, I am heating a 3000 sq ft cape cod style home. We have 16 foot ceilings in the great room. The construction is about 2 years old with energy efficieny in mind during construction. No hot water heating thru GEO, just heat for the home. Have a dedicated GEO meter from DTE, so my readings are actual, not estimated. Temp in the house is set at 69* with no set backs on the stat. What is "HDD"? |
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joe.ami
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| 04 Feb 2009 02:32 PM |
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Wirechief, Had my wires crossed. I mistook you for the original author, but with your clarification, I'm more at odds with your load vs sizing. Especially for cooling which should be a lighter load than heating. Was this retrofit or new build? Do you have 300 square inches of return air? When I mentioned that the sizing seemed unlikely, it seems your system may be 1 or 2 sizes 2 large (based on the information you've provided). I think it may work okay for you (with enough duct work), but I'm not excited about the design. I also agree, that we don't have all the design info for author's system I think there is more in another thread. I notice you have started a thread as well, I'll add anymore thoughts i have on your system there. J |
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wirechief
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| 04 Feb 2009 02:46 PM |
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Well my understanding is still progressing but it gives a temperature comparison that is done with the average high and low temps with respect to 65 degrees over a period of time and the number I used was for the month of January closest to my house. here is a link for better understanding. http://www.degreedays.net/#generate and here is the link that I use for my area http://www.wunderground.com/, you could probably use your zip code and it will give you the details of your weather including the heating degree days, actually both links will provide that i just use the last one for my area. you could then do a better comparison of Kwh used with a 3000 sq ft home is huge compared to mine but I would think for relative comparisons knowing the HDD is a good thing because you are putting in the same temperature averages just a larger home
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| 1500 sq ft home with 5 ton Geocomfort heat pump<br>desuperheater,3200ft of horz loop. Howard city,MI. |
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