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20 Aug 2009 07:15 AM
As I understand, each trench pipe ends at a single header. but from there does each trench pipe/tube(s) run through the basement wall to the main system? Or does the header absorb all the pipes/tubes and then a single larger one runs to and from inside? I plan on 3" sleeves. Also Planning 2 runs per trench at 5ft and 3 feet and will have 2 trenches. So a total of 4 lines running at 300ft to header.
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20 Aug 2009 07:25 AM
You can bury your manifold outside and bring all pipes in to that. Then you would have 2 pipes coming in or you can manifold inside and bring in each loop individually.
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20 Aug 2009 07:57 AM
Posted By lisa6801 on 08/20/2009 7:15 AM
As I understand, each trench pipe ends at a single header. but from there does each trench pipe/tube(s) run through the basement wall to the main system? Or does the header absorb all the pipes/tubes and then a single larger one runs to and from inside? I plan on 3" sleeves. Also Planning 2 runs per trench at 5ft and 3 feet and will have 2 trenches. So a total of 4 lines running at 300ft to header.[/quote]


Lisa,

We start building our systems when the footings are poured. Depending on how many tons you need, a 1 1/4" or 2" supply and return header is set under the footings. The pipes under the slab are insulated and the ends are staked up outside the structure. When the loops are dug in, a trench is dug to the headers and hooked to the manifolds.

We are not a fan of doubling up loops in a trench. Think of it like this...
A loopfield 5' deep and 4' apart has 5' above, 2' to each side(unless it's the end loops) and all the way to China to draw , or reject heat. With a stacked loop, the top loop only has 1 1/2 ' below and 3' above. The lower loop also only has 1 1/2' above. The top loop will also be affected by the climate much more. If you have a hot dry summer your loop temps will rise, if you have a cold winter the temps will be colder.

The black pipes, upper right, are the geo headers

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21 Aug 2009 07:40 AM
Bergy, great picture really helps. Already poured footers as I was going with conventional HVAC then some $$ came in unexpectedly. I stopped my basement concrete pour until I figure out is it better to go under slab or over in floor trusses (web). I was thinking of two three inch sleeves as I can dig out the gravel base still to mechnical room and run them from the outside to there. If I don't use I can always cap/seal off. Understand the single trenches are the best vice double the loops in a single trench. Can't afford drilling and don't want to knock down all my trees either. Maybe a combination of slinky and straight runs. Lisa
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21 Aug 2009 09:56 AM
I went with two 4" sleeves below slab to allow for future conversion to closed loop. Only using one now for open loop discharge. It was much easier to push a 1 1/4" PE pipe down a 4 inch sleeve with a 45 deg bend than it would have been had the sleeve been only 3"
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23 Aug 2009 06:50 AM
I will go one better. We install 4 inch conduits for 1 1/4 pipe and use standard electrical conduit sweeps to make the proccess painless and easy. Well worth the extra money in my opinion.
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23 Aug 2009 08:38 PM
I agree - conduit sweeps must be much easier to work with. The extra few bucks for the fittings is tiny in the grand scheme of a project. The only drawback I see is having to bury deeper beneath the slab to accommodate the gentler bend.

Also, the plumber did the sleeve work so used fittings he was used to. I was responsible for the waterside of the geo system and didn't know any better.
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