frankrizzo
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| 14 Feb 2010 08:15 PM |
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how does snow affect geo? i was told to plow the snow off my pond so the sun shines in, do you think that will help? then i was thinking about frost, this year we have very little frost because of the early snow, so you would think that no frost would be better than 3 feet or does the snow reflect the sun from absorbing into the earth or dont it if it is froze? just curious because my loop temp is coming in a 32 and out at 26, so is the ground down by the loops freezing, thanks
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jonr
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| 14 Feb 2010 08:48 PM |
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If your loops are near the bottom but not buried, then the surrounding water should be 39F. Any water colder or warmer would rise. I don't know, but seems like there is thicker ice on the ponds here when there is no snow.
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Brock
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| 15 Feb 2010 12:41 AM |
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If you can plow off the ice it must be pretty thick and cold and if it is that cold leaving a blanket of snow will actually kept the ground warmer. We always had the thickest ice when there was no snow and if it snowed a lot the ice was usually thinner because the snow kept the cold air from freeing the top layer of water quicker. So I would think leave the snow on it. |
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600rmk
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| 15 Feb 2010 12:57 PM |
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Leave the snow on the ice. It acts as an insulator as Brock said. 20 years of ice fishing on the lakes of MN will back that up! |
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frankrizzo
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| 15 Feb 2010 03:06 PM |
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this is why i wonder about my installers knowledge |
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Down2Earth Geothermal
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| 16 Feb 2010 09:53 PM |
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Unless the ice happened to freeze during calm atmospheric conditions and is unusually clear, it generally reflects a significant portion of the solar radiation; thus removing the snow cover will not significantly increase the solar gain. A pond loop EWT of 32 F points to a possible short loop or poor loop configuration where a slinky mat or spacers were not used. -Adam |
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frankrizzo
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| 16 Feb 2010 11:56 PM |
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they put in 5 coils of 400 ft each, each coil stands 1 1/2 ft tall, 2-3ft dia. they did mention about adding more this spring when it thaws, would it loose much heat from the pond to the house 200ft away 6 ft deep, my house has a spring under it and drains to the pond in the same trench as the loop pipes, the drain starts 9 ft down out of the basement to o ft at pond so it should be soaking down to the loops |
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engineer
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| 17 Feb 2010 08:04 AM |
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I wouldn't expect significant effect by the 200' run 6' down. I'm not particularly alarmed by 32 EWT. Best case the water surrounding the pond loop is 39F, so that's a 7 deg delta pond to loop water. Designed properly, system should accommodate 32 EWT. That said, I don't believe pond loops should be clumped in a coil - I agree mat or spacers should be used (I do not have personal experience with pond loops, though) |
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