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11 Aug 2011 11:54 AM

I’ve been reading the forum on and off for a couple of years and very thankful for all the helpful information that has been posted by everyone. I’ve been getting a great education!

I have a few estimates for a geothermal system and would like some advice/input to help make the best decision. I am using the forum’s shopper’s checklist before making any final decisions. This is preliminary so far. Sorry in advance for the long post.

We are in a suburb of Baltimore, MD. The house is 4,100 square feet, contemporary with lots and lots of glass. It’s 33 years old, but the windows are tight, ceiling insulation R-30, walls R-19 plus 1” styrofoam. The house is on a wooded lot and gets a ton of shade on all sides during the summer – about 5 hours direct sunlight daily.

2 years ago I did a manual J using HVAC-Calc residential 4.0.
Total Heat Gain – 77,745
Total Heat Loss – 74,626
Outdoor Summer temperature – 89
Outdoor Winter temperature – 17
Indoor Summer temp – 75
Indoor Winter temp – 67

Replacing 2 oil furnaces, along with a 4 ton and 2.5 ton ac units.

We have a problem with one section of the house that takes forever to heat/cool adequately. This section is on top of an unheated garage. The garage ceiling has 6” of fiberglass insulation. There are 3 rooms fed by one 8x8 main supply duct. The floor registers are fed by 6” round ducts. There are returns in all the rooms.

Estimate 1 – 4 ton and 3 ton Waterfurnace Envision, 3 bores, 380 feet deep, with 1-1/4 inch diameter pipe. 2 inch pipe run from bores to home. Use existing 2 zone system ductwork. Aux heat included kw not specified

Estimate 2 – The sales rep offered 2 WF options for me to choose from
Option 1: 4 ton and 3 ton with the same vertical well specs in estimate 1. 10 kw aux heat each unit

Option 2: 6 ton with 3- 320’ wells - 1-1/4 pipe. Both systems tie into the house using 1-1/4” pipe. Use existing 2 zone ductwork – with dampers adapted to one unit. 15 kw aux heat

Estimate 3- 6 ton WF - 3- 320’ wells. Pipe size not indicated 4 zone system using existing ductwork 20 kw aux heat

I got a separate estimate for the well drilling and loop installation from the well driller used by 2 of the companies. According to him this area has good rock that is 20-40 feet below the surface. I am also getting other estimates for the HVAC portion of the job. Loop estimate specs 3 – 320’ wells with 1” pipe 1¼” pipe tie into house

Some questions:
Will a 6 ton unit handle the heating load without relying too much on aux heating?
Is 1” or 1-1/4” pipe more efficient for the wells?
How much difference does the size of the tie in pipe make? 2” versus 1-1/4”
If a 4 zoned system is designed properly can it correct the problem we’re having in the one section of the house?

Thanks for taking the time to read all this.

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12 Aug 2011 08:43 AM
Your heat loss/gain looks remarkably balanced particularly when you mention a lot of shade. Did bidders provide you with their own load calcs?
Why are you not looking at horizontal loops with bedrock so far down?
RE auxiliary heat your load is about 6 tons and heat loss would actually call for a 5 ton around here. Your cooling load is driving design.
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12 Aug 2011 12:01 PM
The bidders didn't provide load calcs but said they would if I wanted them. I will request a load calc after I check references and pick a contractor. Still have 2 more estimates next week.

Origninally looked at horizontal trenches but the land available for a horizontal field is on a slope making it too difficult to trench. Plus it is right next to a stream so there would be containment issues with runoff during trenching. The well driller said that we should need only about 20' of casing before hitting rock so I may have overstated the depth.

Thanks for the feedback.



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