Advice on purchase of hybrid heat system
Last Post 06 Jul 2010 06:59 AM by Anna_Starr82. 9 Replies.
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29 Jun 2010 04:04 AM
Hello everybody,

I'm in the process of looking at replacing an old AC unit and natural gas furnace that have seen better days. They both work, I'd just like to get more efficient units. I live in the Tacoma area and electric rates are $0.066/KWH and gas is roughly a $1/therm. My electric usage is about 500KWh/month and gas usage is 1.7 Therm/day on average. I have a 4000 sq foot house with a basement. I have installed a solar hot water heater which definitely helps. I just got a quote for an American Standard Hybrid System (Heritage 16 Heat Pump, 95-2 Stage Variable Furnace, indoor comfort coil, accuclean filtering system, Honeywell Focus Pro wireless thermostat, and whole house duct cleaning and sanitation) for about $18000 (that's with tax). Not sure if I should pull the trigger....kinda pricey. My questions are the following 1. Is this a good deal? 2. Would it make more sense (given my moderate climate conditions) to forego the furnace and just stick with the heat pump and use heat strips for auxiliary heat? 3. Or would it make better sense to stick with the heat furnace and invest in a high efficiency air conditioner? 4. Or should I simply get an energy audit and invest more heavily in efficiency retrofits for my house?

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

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30 Jun 2010 04:08 AM
I am an American Standard dealer, I would say that the quote is higher than I would propose for a straight forward install. Did the company do a manual J (heat loss) calculation? You would know If the sales person spent a couple of hours in your home measuring your rooms, windows, and insulation.Thats the most important question, if a company does not do this do not use them to install your new system. There is no other way to properly size a system, it cannot be done by square footage alone, and certainly cannot be done by putting the same size as the previous equipment. If this corner is cut then imagine how many other corners will get cut when the installers show up to do the job... I would certainly recommend a duel fuel heating/cooling system. If you decide not to go with a furnace for back up heat be sure to get a variable speed air handler with your new heat pump. I would definitely say no to a furnace/ac combo. It just does not make sense to do an AC when a heat pump doesn't cost much more, plus the heat pump conditions more comfortably than the furnace because of its longer run cycles. Also, be sure your contractor chooses the right pieces of equipment to get you the federal tax rebate.
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30 Jun 2010 11:20 AM
> There is no other way to properly size a system

If you know your past energy usage and the efficiency of the old system, you can do better than manual J.
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30 Jun 2010 03:36 PM
Wrong
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01 Jul 2010 01:31 PM
both are useful and both are subject to quality of data input ..Eric
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02 Jul 2010 02:29 AM
Yeah but my point is that there is no substitution for a heat loss/gain report. Any other method is for sizing heating/cooling systems in incorrect.
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02 Jul 2010 12:30 PM
I would agree that man J is the cornerstone.
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06 Jul 2010 06:58 AM
I also agree .Manual J calculation is the base .
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06 Jul 2010 06:59 AM
I also agree .Manual J calculation is the base .
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06 Jul 2010 06:59 AM
I also agree .Manual J calculation is the base .
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