Questions about retrofitting older home
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03 Jan 2011 03:53 PM
Hi.
I am in the process of purchasing a 1600 sqft home with an unfinished basement that was built in 1972.  While the home has been fairly well maintained, I believe it will likely be an energy hog.  I have some questions concerning retrofitting the home and in which order I should make changes given a limited budget.

Before asking questions let me provide a little more detail about the home.
  • 1588 conditioned sqft
  • 1588 unconditioned unfinished basement
  • located in Clemson, SC (I believe this is considered a mixed humid climate)
  • Not properly air sealed
  • Has about R28-R30 blown fiberglass in the attic
  • Unsure of exterior wall insulation at this time
  • R19 insulation beneath floor separating main living area from basement
  • Gable vented
  • Currently uses a 3 ton Trane heat pump for heating and cooling with air handler located in basement
  • Has original single pane wood trimmed windows
  • Evidence of moisture intrusion through basement wall in one corner likely caused by downspout not directing water away from foundation which will be corrected as soon as we move in.
From my fairly extensive reading on this forum, books, and papers published on buildingscience.com I believe my first step will be to properly air seal the entire house.  After air sealing I will add cellulose insulation to the attic to bring it up to R50 or so.  Once I do that (first weekend that I have available after we move in), I will likely tackle any ventilation issues that air sealing will create.  Which leads me to a couple of questions.
  1. Should I add a whole-house dehumidification system (i.e. Aprilaire 1730) to help with some of the moisture issues that are currently present and potential future issues after air sealing?  I would like to keep humidity levels between 40 and 48% unless someone can present scientific evidence that I should do something else.
  2. Should I ventilate the house through the dehumidifier as diagrammed in the Aprilaire schematic or run an ERV using the existing ductwork?
  3. The Trane heat pump and air handler was manufactured in 1995.  What is the likelihood that this unit has an ECM motor?  I will likely replace the unit within the next several years when my budget will allow. 
  4. What is the likelihood that the existing unit will allow me to heat and cool the basement of a properly air sealed and insulated house?
I have a ton more questions, but I will stop there.  Once I get these things accomplished I will likely have more questions.  Thanks for everything.

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18 Jan 2011 04:43 PM
If you've done a reasonable job of air sealing and are down to 5ach/50Pa, a simple room-dehumidifier in the basement (set up to drain into a sink-drain or sump) would likely keep up with the whole house that size.  You can ventilate with an ERV, but minimize it's duty-cycle in summer for best results.  You don't really NEED active ventilation until you get the ach/50 number down to well under 2, or you smoke, etc. You DO have to be consistent about using bathroom & kitchen exhuast fans at the appropriate times, and if you have any atmospheric-drafted gas/propane/oil fired combustion equipement it's important to check for backdrafting potential if you get it that tight.

Keeping the conditioned space air between 40-48% is fine for the shoulder seasons and summer (at 50%+ dust-mites can successfully breed, at 60%+ the mold hazard starts to rise.)  But in winter when it's below 50F outside keeping it at 48%/70F means any air-leaks of interior air into wall cavities can condense on the exterior sheathing. If you keep it at 40% that hazard doesn't occur until its under 45F outside.   Maintaining it at 30-35% in winter gives you more margin, and is still within the healthy-comfortable 30-50% RH recommended by allergists & other medical types. (ASHRAE says 25-65% is OK.)  But as long as the interior wallboard is well sealed everywhere it pretty much won't matter, especially in your climate (or warmer).

In SC air infiltration is likely to be your single largest source of humidity/mold issues once you've reasonably treated the bulk water issues on the perimeter.  Removing the humidity from the semi-conditioned basement would be the most-critical, since the air-conditioning on the first floor would keep the joists cooler, potentially below the dew point of the exterior air.  Sealing & insulating the foundation sill & band-joist with 1-2" of closed-cell foam would be about right, and limit the edge-zones of the basement-ceiling fiberglass from convecting basement air to the band joist & sub-floor at that critical juncture.  If that fiberglass is unfaced on the side facing the basement, it's performance would improve by adding a permeable housewrap as an air barrier.

ECM drives in air handlers weren't news in 1995, but new enough that they'd probably be advertising that fact on the nameplate if it were.  You can likely find the specs for the air handler online if you have the model number.

The heating & cooling loads of basements are typically much lower than upper floors, and will be even lower if you insulate the basement.  The biggest heat/gain loss factors in walls tend to be the glazed area, and most basements have but a handful of 3-4 square foot windows.   Subsoil temps in SC are in the 60s F, so insulating just the walls (not the slab) would give you a decent earth-coupling benefit, where the high thermal mass of the proximate soil can be a benefit for a good fraction of the year.  The odds are VERY good that a 3 ton heat pump can handle this "extra" heating & cooling load- it'd probably oversized 2x for a tight 1600' slab-on-grade with an R50 attic, but a Manual-J type heat gain/loss calc would tell. (Solar gains through windows will swamp the attic gains in many houses.)  I

In Clemson (and warmer climates) you can go low-cost on basement insulation using 3/8" or 1/4"  fan-fold XPS "siding underlayment" against the foundation wall as a vapor retarder against ground moisture, and a 2x4 interior studwall with unfaced batts insulation. (Unfaced insulation and permeable wall finishes are critical, because the foundation needs to dry toward the interior. Foil or kraft facers would be too vapor-retardent, trapping moisture in the studwalls, driving moisture higher in the foundation to potentially rot the foundation sill.)  The XPS is to slow down the rate of moisture transfer to the interior enough to keep the studs mold-free, but if there are still bulk-water incursions dripping to the floor behind it, you can still have issues.  A sill gasket between the bottom plate and slab as a capillary break is also necessary.  If there's any chance of flooding, stopping the insulation a couple feet above the floor might be a good idea, or using 2-3" of un-faced EPS (bead board, like cheap coolers or coffee cups) held in place with furring through-screwed to the foundation, mounting the wallboard to the furring.  At 3" of EPS you'd be at the same clear-wall R value as R13 batts in a 24" o.c. studwall, and still semi-permeable enough to let the foundation dry. (If you went with thicker XPS you'd have to stop a 2", and it would be more money, lower R.)

If the structural walls on the first floor are 2x4 construction with R11 batts there may be a comfort & economic argument for beefing that up by blowing cellulose or high-grade super-fine higer density fiberglass (eg JM Spider or Certainteed Optima) in those cavities, which would also help the air-infiltration numbers.  (And if it's R8 econo-batts or empty cavites it's a no-brainer- insulating the walls would be a HUGE boost in summer/winter comfort.)  It's often possible to blow insulation in without removing the existing batts or ripping open the wall- let the professionals assess what is/isn't possible.

If the windows are in good shape,  and seal resonably, etc, fitting them with decent exterior storm windows would be the most cost-effective method of boosting their thermal performance.  Only when heavily subsidized does replacing them with an Energy Star or better window make sense on the pure economics, but from a comfort POV newer windows are better than a set of storms.
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18 Jan 2011 06:10 PM
Wow, what an amazing reply. Thanks, Dana, for taking the time to so thoroughly answer my questions!
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19 Jan 2011 07:30 PM
Posted By mckibbe on 03 Jan 2011 03:53 PM
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I believe my first step will be to properly air seal the entire house. 
  1. Should I add a whole-house dehumidification system (i.e. Aprilaire 1730) to help with some of the moisture issues that are currently present and potential future issues after air sealing?  I would like to keep humidity levels between 40 and 48% unless someone can present scientific evidence that I should do something else.
  2. Should I ventilate the house through the dehumidifier as diagrammed in the Aprilaire schematic or run an ERV using the existing ductwork?
  3. The Trane heat pump and air handler was manufactured in 1995.  What is the likelihood that this unit has an ECM motor?  I will likely replace the unit within the next several years when my budget will allow. 
  4. What is the likelihood that the existing unit will allow me to heat and cool the basement of a properly air sealed and insulated house?

RE the air sealing that is a great first step.  You can remove the outlet covers etc before a bunch of furniture gets in the way.  This also needs to take place on the ceilings and in the attic.  If the basement is unfinished a great thing to do would be to have the floor system band sealed with spray foam.   Even if you do all those things you will not be able to get the house very tight though.  To get a really tight house there is a lot of air sealing that need to take place before the drywall and siding is installed.

1) deal with the moisture issues at their source.  If you need the dehumidifier for comfort issues fine but your house doesn't need it.  Your AC unit should do that.  BTW I'm somewhat familiar with your climate as I'm in NC.

2) your house won't need mechanical ventilation - you won't be able to get it that tight.  Get it blower door tested after doing the air sealing if you want to know for sure.  Also, I guess the ventilation system that is part of a dehumidifier would only work in the summer?  I'm not familiar with that unit though.

3) You can tell if it has a variable speed motor by the way it runs if you know what you are looking for.  You can tell when the "blower" comes on.  I'd check the model number too though.

4) A very general rule of thumb is 1 ton per 500 sq ft of an average house.  So, there is no chance unless the house is very tight and very well insulated.  Maybe if the whole basement is below ground meaning that there is little to no heat loss through the walls and floor.  Really though, since you said the system is down there, I bet that it is already semi-conditioned just via duct and unit leakage, etc.
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21 Feb 2011 03:39 AM
Homes in the western or cold countries are too complicated to build. I have been to tropical countries and their houses are carefree built. Lucky are those inhabiting the tropical they do not have to spend that much on insulation. An electric water shower heater and an air conditioner is already a luxury for them.
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