Is modernizing a old existing home worth it? And taxes..
Last Post 15 Aug 2019 09:07 AM by Dilettante. 5 Replies.
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03 Aug 2019 05:11 PM
Most discussions around these parts are about new homes, and I'm wondering if modernizing a old existing home is worth it?  I imagine not,  unless you DIY because my dad renovated a old farm house and later told me he could have built three!  Maybe he was exaggerating.    Or maybe it was the contractor he hired, who let his entire crew go so he could make it his full time job since he was my dads buddy, or was he?  Anyway..

Ive read about people spending a ton of money on new windows fueled by pushy salesman tactics and skewed numbers, but they barely notice a change in their energy bills.   That's why I removed, resealed and doubled my attics R-value instead, and applied seal 'n peel to the windows in my town house in Iowa City.  This, after reading the attic is where most of the heat loss and gain occur.  It worked, but I never analyzed if it was cost effective or paid for itself but it was "green", I think.

But if my dad would have bull dozed the 100 year old farm house and built a new home, his taxes would have tripled probably.  Isn't that a factor no one mentions?  A bill that's reoccurring and keeps rising..  My taxes in Iowa City have risen over 6% a year since 1995!

That's where I'm at with my new second bug out property out in the sticks close to Millersburg Iowa.    It's a old homestead on top of a hill with a mile long view that leaves me in awe every time I look.  You know, a place that screams live here! The old farm house has long been bull dozed, and a 1999 16x80 was placed there..    I originally thought I would build a new home there, but since taxes are only $380 a year compared to $4900 for my home in town, I'm starting to second guess my original plan since I'm a blue collar guy and not wealthy.  But the energy costs are high since mobile homes were never intended to be energy efficient.

My latest plan and since the mobile home needs a roof anyway, is remove all the plywood, double the R-value and screw 2x4 rafters on top of each existing roof truss (3:12) which will extend past the side wall 18" creating a overhang, ventilated soffit and shade.  The 2x4 would also add a air channel for a ridge vent to remove hot moist air.  This will cost $4500, and then another $6500 to shingle it with Malarkey legacy's since I cannot take on a project this size alone.

So I'm trying to weigh the two different scenarios.   Build a new home (cha-ching) and see my taxes jump 10X.  Or retro fit a energy efficient roof on the essentially free mobile home.  Then add 4" of foam board insulation to the 2x4 walls, extend the window bucks and replace the junk two piece inside and outside mobile home windows.   My taxes wouldn't go up, and my utility bills might be half.  But am I spending a dollar to save a dime, so to speak?

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09 Aug 2019 01:47 AM
I understand not many people have considered or actually tried to make a mobile home energy efficient.  But it looks like green building isn't very popular considering no one has posted here for a while.  But greenbuildingadvisor seems popular.  Is it the fact  Martin Holladay is there?  But he's retired now I read. 

Is greenbuildingadvisor the place to get good building science information at this time?  Does Brian Pontolilo answer the questions now?  Maybe I should get a subscription but is Brian as knowledgeable as Martin?

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09 Aug 2019 12:22 PM
Brian and Peter Yost do a lot of answering, Martin still pops in and still does his Musings of an Energy Nerd blog.

That site is much more active then this one.
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09 Aug 2019 03:52 PM
This site has been IT obsolete for many years, frustrating to use and you recently can’t even log into this site using some browsers. This site has never been effectively managed during the last 10 years that I have participated here. Green building advocacy has also been on the wane since our political leadership has openly denied man-made climate change and participation on this site and other green building sites has fallen sharply in recent years. Frankly, I am amazed that companies are still advertising on this site.

As far as your question/decision, it ultimately depends on what you really want and how much you are willing to pay or do to get it. If you are okay with living in a mobile home and want to save a lot of money, that is what you do. If you are okay with spending a lot of money or doing a lot of work to live in a well constructed house, that is what you do. A well constructed house should appreciate in value much more than an old mobile home, but if you don’t ever plan to sell it or have heirs that you care about to leave it to, that isn’t a significant factor to consider either. So there really isn’t a right or wrong answer...or really any answer... So just another personal life decision...which only YOU can make... And it has been said that humanity consists 10% of good people, 10% of evil people and 80% of people who can be swayed either way...so you should fully expect endless positive and negative change as long as there is humanity...
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09 Aug 2019 04:39 PM
Thanks Guys..

Its tough when for example you consider solar power and find out net metering in Iowa is under attack.  Imagine had you just invested in a solar system to find out the extra power you produce wont turn your meter backwards like they promised.

Are there any studies that prove using Martin Holladay's methods do pay off in a certain time frame like solar does in some states?

And if you were building a new home, would you use his advice?  Or is there another building method or forum I should consider?

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15 Aug 2019 09:07 AM
Saw this but was at a convention.
If tearing out and rebuilding is going to screw you on taxes, DEFINITELY think about alternatives.

So long as the energy retrofit/remodel won't screw you on your taxes...

I dunno about stuffing foam board into stud bays.
Maybe if you can get it reclaimed and seal it up as best as possible with a foam kit.

You might be better off simply wrapping the place in 2-3 inches of EPS. Roof included.
You get your thermal break and air sealing that way.
Your insulation won't QUITE double, but the air sealing will stop you from LOSING your conditioned air.
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