Posted By altovintner on 12/15/2009 9:30 AM
Dana1: Thanks very much for taking the time to post a most informative reply. I had read over the 3 documents that you referenced in your post, and the last one caused me to question whether or not I need the vapor barrier.
As I see things right now, I am kind of on the bubble. I am leaning to the high performance 8 mil vapor barrier offered by these folks: http://www.conservationtechnology.com/building_films.html
In our current house, we often have indoor humidity greater than the outside on the very cold days. We installed a very nice wall fountain with copper and slate near our front door. My wife has stated she would like to have one in a new house as well.
Again, I appreciate your counsel!
Regards,
Steve
Of course indoor RH will always be higher than outdoor RH, that's not the issue- outdoor RH is completely irrelevent. The real issue is what temperature is the dew-point of the
interior room air, will that temperature occur repeatedly or at long duration in susceptible materials inside the wall structure.

When it's 68F/30% RH inside, the dew point is about 36F/2C. (Read laterally to the left from the 20C/30% intersection to find the temperature at which intersects the 100% curve.) The average point within the insulation during the coldest weeks of the year where that temperature occurs is what we're trying to keep interior air & water vapor away from. And thats a function of the average coldest-week temperature vs. the interior air temp.
For the sake of argument assume that the coldest week averages 32F/1C) for the daily temperature (the average daily highs might be 42F, and the lows 22F but the average is 32F.) Let's assume you're keeping interior at 68F/30% RH. With R5 of sheathing and a R20 of studwall for a total of R25, the point in the structure where dew point (36F, from the previous paragraph) occurs at R25 x(68F-36F)/(68-32F)= R22 out from the interior, which is inside the foam, so you wouldn't need any vapor retarder at all (the foam doesn't absorb release humidity quickly, and it's performance & longevity is impervious to condensation.)
But if the average temp of the cold week is 10F lower, or the interior RH 10% higher, the dew point would occur within the outer portion of the cellulose/studs, and a vapor retarder IS required.
In your location the outward drying capacity is good, and unless you keep it downright tropical indoors on the coldest weeks of the year (72F, 65% RH) you don't need a class-I vapor retarder.
Also, your altitude affects the dew point- it'll be lower at lower air pressure, which gives you more margin. Without researching your weather history in detail, I'm still fairly certain you don't need a poly vapor retarder with that stackup & cellulose insulation- vapor-retardent paint should be more than enough. Cellulose fibers are hollow so it rapidly wicks away & redistributes minor micro-condensation- it only becomes an issue if the condensation zone is deep & persistent allowing it to saturate (or frost).