The Government has authorized free utilities for a year!!
Last Post 15 Apr 2010 10:00 PM by missantarctica5. 2 Replies.
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08 Apr 2010 04:06 PM

Gotcha.  Since you're here, please read on.......

OK, so the title is sarcastic.  But it brings to light a topic I am asking for help with.  I hate giving the energy providers their exorbitant amounts they charge for their services.  I hope to one day be off grid.  That's another topic, best left for around a camp fire! (I am a conspiracy theorist-I believe that free energy exists but we aren't allowed to know about it because you can't tax free!) 
The topic that matters here is making my new home cheap to operate.  Essentially: "How do I save by spending?"  In essence, what I am asking, is what can I spend a little more on now, but see a huge continual savings in the end.  I am in the process of planning the build of a new house, and want to have my ducks in a line from the start.

I will be building in Alberta, Canada and here it is mainstay to have both LPG and Electricity. I have thought abought going all electric. Electric water heater, furnace, etc. as lights (and my home theatre) don't operate on natural gas.  This frees up the delivery charge, account charge, minimum charge, actual meter reading charge-that's right, they charge you multiple times to send you a bill for the service you actually need.  Only night clubs used to get away with this process.  The whole "pay us now, or else we won't let you overspend in our establishments".  I don't go to clubs, if you haven't guessed.  Fool's waste of money.

What are some of your suggestions regarding my build? I want a home that rivals an Energy Factor of 90, without being foolish with my money(Yup, I'm still cheap). I also want to point out that although I am not intentially going to make choices to save the environment (I'm not spending more, if there's not a return to me FINANCIALLY) I am no longer one with the attitude of "who cares?".  I'll do my part not to contribute to the problem. 

My current ideas are, ICF to rafters, SIPS for roof/ceiling, triple glazed low e argon windows, either a tankless heater/high efficiency furnace combo or a H.E. boiler with infloor radiant, or electric water heater (tankless?) electric HVAC, LED lighting, warm air recovery HVAC, energy star everything for appliances, solatubes or equivalent, etc.  Does anyone have any other ideas?

Please don't say solar.  I have no respect for the current solar systems on the market.  For one, the pollution created in the production of a solar panel rivals that in what is produced by making the amount of electricity you wouldn't purchase-no evironmental savings there and it is so expensive to build a system that actually contributes a worthwhile amount to a house, that I would need 40 years to notice the svaings-right about when the entire works is due for replacement provided nothing goes wrong before then.

Geothermal should be the answer, but again in North Central Alberta electricity is too expensive and we don't have a great geology for it- so again to be useful to a home it is too expensive to build (in my mind).

Wind generators would be the answer, but I need to consult my future neighbors to ensure that I don't spend a small fortune setting one up, then have them petition to have it removed.

All I really want are ideas to keep the heat/power that I have already payed for, for as long as possible, and not waste money figuring this out.

Thanks to the moderators for keeping a forum like this running.  Takes a lot of effort-more than most are willing to contribute!  My hat's off to you!

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12 Apr 2010 10:17 AM
Here's a similar project already up and running with awards to back it up.
http://www.integraspec.com/res_awards.htm
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15 Apr 2010 10:00 PM
Hi, great way to get reader attention!

I am not an expert, but am building a new LEED home near Kincardine Ontario. Like you, I want to save money. I also want to tread gently on the environment (and am willing to spend a little more--NOT a lot, as I have limited resources-- to do so.

I don't know about Alberta, but in Ontario, most of my electricity bill is not about the kw/hr energy use charge (much like your natural gas bill, there are "extras" added on).....so if you think you will save money by using electricity, then look into what the total charges are for electricity in Alberta. My advice is FIRST to reduce your energy demand in your new house as much as you can, so that which ever energy source you decide to use, you pay those ...guys...as little as possible!

ICF to rafters is a great idea, spray foam headers wherever they are (rafters?). I don't know about SIPs for roof as we had to use stick for our roof (has an atrium for summer cooling and natural light.

We are going to use infloor radiant heating without going to the expense of a high efficienty furnace - the heating demand will (hopefully) be very low, and we are just adding a heat exchanger loop (separate from thd rinking water) to a high efficiency domestic water heater.

Also, we are using fibreglass windows, which hopefully last a LONG time. The expansion coefficient between glass and fibreglass is the same, so the seals should last forever. Vinyl seals (double or triple glazed, doesn't matter) typically will last about 15 years.

If you think the production of solar panels is more than they produce, then likely wind generators are not for you either. I dont understand why people think this replaces baseload electricity when the sun is not shining and the wind is not blowing...

Anyway I think you are asking the right questions and good luck to you in your house! The only other thing is to try to buy as local as you can. And use low-VOC products (cabinets, glues, insulation) for your own health's sake, as well as the environment.

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