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23 Feb 2019 03:40 PM
Greetings, I am a new member to this community.
I have been looking through a ton of posts and am amazed at the depth of knowledge and experience.

My name is John Mersereau and I live in S.E. Michigan near Manchester. I run a video studio for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, but I will be retiring at some point and would like to have a studio/shop of my own.

I am in the early stages of planning I am hoping to build a studio. The details I learn in this planning stage will inform me as to how large of a building I can afford and the construction methods I will employ.
Nothing is set in stone - that is where good advice comes into play :-)

I am hoping that those generous souls in this community would share their thoughts and expertise on what they would do in my situation.

At this stage, I think the largest building I could ever afford would be a 80'x60' with a 20' height to the bottom of the eves. I might find out that I can only afford a 60'40' with 14' height.

A big concern is budget. I really only want to spend $100K, so perhaps this is not even possible? Maybe I have to think 40x40x14?

Once this building is up, I would really like to keep the heating and cooling costs low, so insulation and HVAC gear are going to play a major role. Am I crazy to consider ICF at my price point?

PROs - would be I would get solid quiet building that is nicely insulated.

CONs - cost and difficulty of putting up 14ft to 20 ft  tall ICF walls(?)

Or should I go with SIPS?

Or should I just put up a metal building with the usual methods of 'blanket' insulation and pay through the nose with heating and cooling?

What would you do?

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26 Feb 2019 04:15 AM
Okay some questions.

You're talking 20' to the eaves.
Are you looking at just open space in the interior? Or are you planning for a 2-story/floor building?
Also, are you looking at something "elaborate" in terms of shape? Or a simple concrete box?
Any preliminary ideas on the expected layout of such a setup?

And no you're not crazy to consider ICF at this price point. ICF has some benefits when it comes to air sealing as identifying points of penetration are simplified (Doors, windows, utility penetrations and roof interface).
The air sealing, combined with the insulation generally makes for an efficient building that requires less physical plant (HVAC) to heat and cool, as it will retain interior temperature longer.

ICF is something that CAN be DIY if you have the proper knowledge.
Otherwise you'll want to hire someone to at least consult as you set up.
You'll likely want experienced concrete workers at least on pour days.

With ICF, you will normally pour walls in 10-12 foot increments.
If you're not going with ICF flooring/roofing, you're talking about essentially 3 pours minimum.

1: Foundation/1st story monopour

** CURING TIME **

2: 2nd story

** CURING TIME **

3: 1st story slab

Granted, properly planned and executed, one could combine the 2nd story and slab pours into the same day.


SIPS can work well too. A lot of it depends on the quality of noise you're trying to filter out.
SIPS will require a bit more work, overall, for air sealing, panel placement and utility placement (careful planning needs to happen for utility placement, as there are some limits with regard to SIPS construction).


Also, it's possible that a good/economical idea MIGHT involve a hybrid setup (ICF walls and a SIPS-over-raised heel truss roof).
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26 Feb 2019 04:01 PM


Cool - thanks for the response Sir!


Yes.


totally open.


Concrete box. As basic as it gets.


Any preliminary ideas on the expected layout of such a setup?
I am thinking IF I am able to afford the 60x80x20 'clear span', I would probably need a steel I beam frame.

The air sealing, combined with the insulation generally makes for an efficient building that requires less physical plant (HVAC) to heat and cool, as it will retain interior temperature longer.>
I love the idea of the ICF for keeping out noise and also the insulation being done once poured.


It doesn't look like rocket science from reading and watching a ton of youtube videos.
As in film production, the 7 P principle applies - Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Production.


To keep **ck ups minimized, I will want to have an experienced consultant from planning through install.

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Yes, absolutely pay for this - no doubt!

We have a Menards not too far away and they sell Fox Blocks. I do however like the Endura system.
Any thoughts on which ICF to spec?

Thanks again for your generous advice Mr. D.
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26 Feb 2019 10:15 PM
Not going to give recommendation on preferred block.
For the most part, one is generally as good as another.
It all comes down to affordability and features.

Also, flat roof or pitched?
Also, neat trick available for systems that provide brick-ledge pieces.
Use them on the inside for some additional edge support for slab/floors/ceilings (rafters/truss/I-beam)

And yes, with a 60x80 setup, you're probably going to need some sort if I-beam support.
Some of it will depend on what you're using for roof structure.

If you're going to go with a concrete flat roof, depending on panel thickness, rebar schedule and slab thickness, you're looking at 20-25' spans without support with something like QuadLock/QuadDeck.
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27 Feb 2019 01:03 AM
**Also, flat roof or pitched? **

4/12 roof pitch - boring but easy.

**Also, neat trick available for systems that provide brick-ledge pieces. **

Yeah, Endura has these.

**Some of it will depend on what you're using for roof structure. **

If 60x80 there will be steel (what is the word?) girts - rafters to support the roof, which would make skinning it with SIPS pretty easy (I hope?)
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27 Feb 2019 04:14 AM
Be aware that Endura isn't an "ICF".
It's a Concrete Masonry Unit system.

Different systems with different strengths and weaknesses.
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11 Oct 2020 02:46 AM
I think you are going to have to scale back a bunch to hit your budget.

What kind of video production needs 4,800 ft^2? I bet you could do a three camera sitcom in that, with a studio audience, but those are dying off.

If you are doing all green screen and motion capture stuff, you could probably do a feature film in half that.

I am working on a project and looking at ICF. I think a $90,000 construction budget is going to be hard pressed to get me materials for 1,800 ft^2 although mine is less efficient than an open box, has some upgraded finishes, appliances and utility costs.
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