BE VERY WARY OF SABS
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12 May 2013 07:48 PM
For anyone wondering what all the fuss is about, here is a cross section, from a trade show.
More examples of EPS Composite Building Systems are available at:
https://mightybell.com/spaces/4299

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12 May 2013 07:58 PM
It looks like the typical SCIP but without the steel mesh reinforcing. Would be interesting to see a comparison. It also resembles a SIP but using continuous concrete instead of OSB or steel.
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12 May 2013 08:38 PM
I have not built with SABS but I have with SCIPs.  It appears to me that for the same EPS thickness, SABS would have slightly better R-value since there are no wire trusses running through the EPS.  In some cases, SCIPs use reinforced, concrete bond beams that create thermal bridges, especially where the walls meet the roof.

Let me know if there are any trained, honest builders out there that will build with the SABS system in Alabama, Florida or Georgia.  I ask because I have clients that would be interested in trying the Saebi Alternative Building System.  From what I can tell about SABS is that it is a very good building system provided the builder is trained and follows the rules.  That is my opinion.  I have no experience to back up my opinion so there is no need to flame me.
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12 May 2013 08:53 PM



EPS Composites
are a growing segment of the construction trades. With so many variants Scips, Icfs and the ultimate EPSC, basicly are the future that can totaly confuse older trades people. EPS has the reputation of not rotting or promoting the growth of mold, making the systems the choice for rebuilding from water disasters.

Passive and Net Zero is a perfect transition for EPS Compostes.

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12 May 2013 09:10 PM


The finish applied.
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12 May 2013 09:52 PM
Regarding the above building, I would be concerned that an exposed slab would negate the thermal benefits of thick foam. But maybe something (like floor insulation) isn't visible.
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12 May 2013 10:51 PM
jonr, these new building systems is daunting to many and progress is slow. This example has a few things not up to date but better than OSB Sips or ICFs that are very version one one the scale.
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12 May 2013 11:48 PM
Can you leave the top of the roof as exposed concrete or do you need to add roofing such as steel?
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13 May 2013 12:01 AM


You need proper engineering, but any type of Roof is possible. You could just sprinkle a colored sand on the concrete or.

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13 May 2013 07:15 AM
"EPS Composites are a growing segment of the construction trades. With so many variants Scips, Icfs and the ultimate EPSC, basicly are the future that can totaly confuse older trades people. EPS has the reputation of not rotting or promoting the growth of mold, making the systems the choice for rebuilding from water disasters. "

Styrohome,

Do you have a link to ultimate EPSC?  I assume it is another alternative building system.

Do you know which adhesive SABS and other systems use to glue the EPS together.

Which cementitious coating was used to cover the EPS?

I notice in the picture that the EPS blocks are installed horizontally.  I would have thought the EPS would be installed vertically just like a SIP.  Other than SABS, has there been any testing done for EPS homes.
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13 May 2013 03:29 PM
EPSCs best known example, http://www.rastra.com/

Sabs EPS is glued with Polurethane Foam.

Sabs use GFRC "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"

You can stack the foam anyway you like, because the EPS is a structural density, usually known as Geofoam, use in highway and airport runway building.
Testing seems to be rare, example most structures in Las Vegas are clad in EPS Composite Envelopes maybe you could start there and see what comes up.
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10 May 2020 07:45 PM
It has been several years since this post. I have just learned about SABS this week and am very interesting in the system to build a home. Are there any updates about the system since everyone's last post in 2013?
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12 May 2020 08:12 PM
Hmm. Not sure I'd trust a foam house with a quarter inch of concrete on each face.

Glass fiber reinforced or not.
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24 May 2022 07:00 PM
Hi Amy! I actually visited this house in person and was considering purchasing it when it was available. The house seems to be in great shape and looks beautiful up close. I actually looked into seeing what happened and called Strata myself. They were a bit tough to get ahold of but I did finally get in touch with their office and had multiple conversations about this particular project. After hearing the story and reading through the past posts it does seem like there was multiple mistakes in the construction by the GC and the owner. Strata did show the facts and reports to the bank that had the original construction loan on this property and the bank seem to had sided with them. They mentioned they were willing to help with the construction but were declined payment so they refused to work on the project or sign off on the occupancy. I don't blame them personally, if mistakes were made and help was offered they should not be punished by working for free as they seem to be the supplier of the technology not the general contractor. I looked a little further and noticed the next owner after the original construction got the occupancy finally and did the repairs but Strata still to this day told me they refuse to certify the building as a SABS building since the repairs were not made directly under their control. long story short I lost my chance of actually buying this house because I flipped flopped on the idea. At the end Strata and its SABS system seem to be doing ok, I'm interested in building with the system at some point but will most likely wait until the prices of the construction market come down a bit, EVERYTHING IS OUTRAGEOUSLY OVER PRICED RIGHT NOW!!!! I hope that helped, I added the photo of the Zillow page on the property for anyone else interested. The house sadly sold in 2020 before I could make up my my mind :( https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/758-Ridge-Cyn-Santa-Fe-NM-87506/118201750_zpid/
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24 May 2022 07:05 PM
my last post does not seem to want to upload the photo, sorry..... so for anyone interested visit the link below to the Zillow site on the house.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/758-Ridge-Cyn-Santa-Fe-NM-87506/118201750_zpid/
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30 Jun 2022 10:35 AM
I am having a Sabs house built and I wish I saw this post before I built. Anyone else using Sabs? To say the least, anything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong.
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15 Jul 2022 08:18 PM
Your house is going up now and you're having what sort of problem? Contractor problem, materials problems, everything problems? Is Strata involved directly?
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