Ytong or Hebel
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28 Mar 2013 07:15 AM
Has anyone here ever used Hebel block? It is the North American version of the wildly popular Ytong autoclaved, aerated block. It claims an equivalent R valve of better then 60 for a 10" block (I have to look into this more). I have a German friend who wants to build here in Toronto and is considering filling a container with the stuff to ship over.

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28 Mar 2013 09:38 AM

I think your friend should investigate adding foam insulation boards to the exterior of the Hebel blocks if he builds in a cold climate.  This will increase the R-value and also allow the mass to be insulated.  Some years ago, a Hebel representative told me that has been done.  Check with Hebel (Ytong), etc. to verify that this practice of adding foam boards to one side (exterior) does not stop the block from breathing.  I mention this because Hebel says that the coatings on each side of the block must allow the block to breathe.

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28 Mar 2013 09:44 AM
I built my house with AAC block purchased from Aercon AAC in Haines City, FL. At the time Hebel's US arm, Xella Aircrete, was manufacturing block in Adel Ga. Xella has since closed that plant, and supplies block from a plant in Mexico. Neither spot is exactly next door to Toronto. My house arrived on two semi flatbeds for a shipping cost of $3k. The major limitation on compositive ICFs and tiltup SCIP is shipping expense, and the problem with shipping is fuel. Back when, neither company used rail. Seaborne container didn't occur to me. It could work from England, say, where construction is in sorrier shape than here, and shipping often involves ships.

Some clarifications: Mid-density AAC (500 psi) is a steady state R1.25/inch so the typical 8" block is R10. I showed my BI Hebel studies indicating a mass-enhanced equivalent R value of 17 for the Washington DC climate, which is pretty close to mine, and met the 2006 US energy code (but not 2009 and later.) R60 would take a lot of block in Toronto, which isn't exactly the best climate for mass effect. Of course, you can sheath it in EPS, or hang AAC planks curtain-wall-style on conventionally insulated structural walls

On the plus side, bare AAC meets US fire standards without drywall. I parged plaster inside and conventional stucco outside. It is eminently DIYable with only a box store cement mixer. Or a relatively easy adaptation for conventional masons. Good sound qualities. Completely malleable from a design standpoint. Longevity of concrete.

Dunno if you are familiar with Toronto-based Durisol, a manufacturer of composite ICF blocks with most of AAC's characteristics.
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31 Mar 2013 01:56 PM
I have seen a number of houses built with Durisol and I like the block. Not sure if I would build with it though but I don't really have a reason not to. Interesting that the german Ytong website states the heat transfer value(U) for a 240mm block is .27w/m2K or, if I have changed it over properly, .048 btu/hr/ft2 which would equate to an R55.

The problem is the same with the double brick houses we have here. The R value would be somewhere around 8 but the performance is similar to a R16 or more house. Buildings departments have trouble accepting the data. I wonder if they would make us add 4" of foam on the outside?
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01 Apr 2013 12:32 AM
Block with vertical holes about 1" apart and about 6" of foam on exterior side of block is common in Austria /Germany. They are saying R57 possible using the block with vertical holes off set. Thermal Mass/ Thermal break
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