MrCads
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| 27 Mar 2021 05:04 PM |
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Good day fellas!
Working on building in Central MN in the near future. Not really interested in the "conventional" way of building a wall, however, I have not come across any builders that did REMOTE walls.
So, here I am, wondering if any members in this area have any experience with builders. |
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smartwall
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| 28 Mar 2021 01:18 PM |
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I give what is a REMOTE wall? |
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smartwall
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| 28 Mar 2021 02:39 PM |
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I looked it up. Everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel. I started my business career as an insulation contractor and have seen al types of wall set ups. The more parts you have the greater the chance of a mistake. That's the reason I sell icfs. Foam, concrete, rebar done. |
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MrCads
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| 28 Mar 2021 09:10 PM |
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For sure, but how do you build a multilevel with ICF when the upper level does not have an ICF wall to stand on? Countless google searches yielded no results.
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smartwall
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| 28 Mar 2021 11:21 PM |
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Now you have lost me. Anything that can be framed, can be built with icf. |
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MrCads
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| 29 Mar 2021 12:20 PM |
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This is what I'm thinking about. Where there aren't any concrete walls for the upper structure to sit on.  |
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smartwall
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| 29 Mar 2021 02:25 PM |
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You stumped me. Even if you frame the upper part you are going to have to support the walls with posts and carrier beams below all the way to the basement footing. I am not an engineer. Maybe the good lady from Borst Engineering will chime in |
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sailawayrb
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| 29 Mar 2021 03:17 PM |
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I am confused as well Smartwall. One can pretty much build whatever is desired with ICF. Typically, upper level walls are directly over the lower level walls. The lower level walls are sized to handle the loads created by the upper levels. But with some engineering, you could put your ICF upper level walls on the upper level floor deck however you want. Perhaps take a look at this well done and well documented ICF build:
http://www.greenbuildingtalk.com/Forums/tabid/53/aff/4/aft/81068/afv/topic/Default.aspx
Are we perhaps talking about some upper level that is cantilevered from the upper level with completely open space below it? |
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MrCads
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| 29 Mar 2021 06:41 PM |
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Posted By smartwall on 29 Mar 2021 02:25 PM
You stumped me. Even if you frame the upper part you are going to have to support the walls with posts and carrier beams below all the way to the basement footing. I am not an engineer. Maybe the good lady from Borst Engineering will chime in
It is a little dramatic, I admit  Building would be on a slab. Ground level would be ICF, open, with a wood beam structure supporting the upper level. The only upper level wall sitting on top of the lower level wall would be the front.
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Alton
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| 29 Mar 2021 09:30 PM |
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A lot of weight could be removed from the second floor structure by using a lighter building system such as metal skin Structural Insulated Panels (SIPs). No one will know that the two floor levels have different building systems once the walls are covered with siding, stucco, etc. That worked well for one of my projects. |
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GoGreenSelene
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| 09 Apr 2021 10:26 PM |
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Posted By Alton on 29 Mar 2021 09:30 PM
A lot of weight could be removed from the second floor structure by using a lighter building system such as metal skin Structural Insulated Panels (SIPs). No one will know that the two floor levels have different building systems once the walls are covered with siding, stucco, etc. That worked well for one of my projects.
This is a really interesting comment. Whenever you can, please explain some more details about the project where this operation worked. |
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Alton
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| 16 Apr 2021 12:00 AM |
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For example, use Superior Walls ( https://www.superiorwalls.com/ ) for the basement walls and lightweight metal SIPs for the main floor walls. Other combinations are available. For example, ICF for the lower floor walls and steel studs for the upper floor. Mixed walls will work well together if engineered and properly insulated. (Steel studs will readily conduct energy unless they are insulated on the exterior side. Two 1" layers of EPS will work better than one 2" layer if the joints are offset.) |
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precastextruder
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| 20 Nov 2021 01:39 PM |
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we have the extruder machine to make precast wall panels .
If you are intersted in it, please visit our website
https://hnprecast.com
https://precastextruder.com/ |
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