Does anyone have any experience with Platon foundation protector. It looks like a good system that will give an air gap between the basement wall and the soil. i called them and they said this will take the place of all other waterproofing.

http://www.ottawastructural.com/platon.htm

Yes, I have used the product, it does work well, if any water gets in between the product and the wall it will fall directly to the weeping tile on the footing. I would still suggest you apply some other form of waterproofing (i.e. peel and stick) on the ICF wall prior to using this product.

Chris

Wouldn't that be a little redundant as well as costly?  I was under the assumption that relieving the hydrostatic pressure with a product like platon would keep water from working through the ICF and exiting to the drain field in your footer. 

Kind of confusing

Dave

 

Redundant? Maybe, but it also could be called "insurance against future leaks".

Costly? A peel & stick is a lot cheaper than coming back 2-5 years later and having to dig up the exterior.

My assessment: Installing both is priceless!

I have considered this product many times and I keep coming back to one spot (if water can get in then so can silt and eventually the whole free flow issue is gone and what you will have is a big mud pie). That could take 100 years or it may only take a few. We did an addition on a house that was built with reward and had to cut through the platon for our opening into the existing basement and there was about 3" of mud at the bottom. The home owner was very concerned about this but I do not know what he did about it, now this may have been an instulation problem or maybe my theory is correct.

And that is why I still use the insurance of peel and stick on the wall prior to Platon or other drain products

I agree with your theory Bill

Chris

Chris : If you get trapped water underneath your peel and stick, where will it come out ?
Perimeter drain tile (french drain) is the only legitimate path for water, that's why air gap is more effective than P&S.
P&S below grade, is more expensive to buy, more expensive to apply, and uses more carbon credits than air gap from recycled plastic.
Doubling up on systems makes no sense.

I would say the amount or type of waterproof has a direct relation to the type of area you live in and the amount of water present in your area, ( Minnesota land of ten thousand sloughs needs as much protection as feasably possible to compensate for the heavy clay and lots of water issues). This issue would be less apparent in an area with good drainage and sandy soil.

I have not had water below the peel and stick, how it would penetrate that is beyond me, however during backfill anything bigger than a basketball can do serious damage to the ICF wall, hence the protection board, also if grading is a issue or if water does travel to the foundation protection board helps it move that much faster down to the weeper. When I lived in Ontario most areas I worked in were sand, water disapated before it even got near the foundation, Now I am in California and it's mostly clay out here, I am not allowed to waterproof out here without a specialy license, my concrete license does not cover it, apparently waterproofing is a huge issue and liability here. So to sum it up, my 2x protection in Ontario was overkill and probably not enough in California.

Chris

Bottom line is this! If water gets behind peel and stick it is trapped and has no where to go but in! Been there done that. Dimple only makes the best sense and if your any bit concerned apply a spray or a roll on to joints only and then go over it with dimple. Point being look at the warranties, dimples can give you 30 yrs what other product will back there materials like this. We have never had a leak with dimple but we gave up on sprays, and only recommend pea and stick with dimple over it!

I used Platon on my home and sealed the upper edge with adhesive as they recommend. I then used the Tuff II coating at the transition. If I had to do it over again, I would have liked to use a roller with the Blue Seal product sold at Menards under the Platon, just as a secondary step.