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Last Post 13 Jul 2007 11:34 PM by
Vinmeister
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Vinmeister
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30 Jun 2007 02:46 PM
I have just built an icf basement and garage foundation. They are listed as 10 inches thick. Engineering called for NO rebar in the walls (9') tall I put in one nuber 4 at 1 and 4 ft and a double at 6 inches from the top as well as verticals every 4 ft. The question is when putting on the first floor-setting the beams the outer thickness of insulation is 4 inches and the inner is 2 1/2 16 inches overall. The drawings called for a 2x8 on top of the wall. That would provide very little bearing on actual concrete for the the beams. My solution was to cut the 4 inch panerls on a bevel on the top of the wall so at the to the insulation is about 3/4. The bevel is only about 6-7 inches in height. The building inspector had some question over it as well. I then upsized the plate to 2x10 with slightly offset anchor bolts to allow for proper concrete wrat around. I had also (out of ignorance) crossed the rebar on the corners instead of bent it. Some comment was mad over it so at the tops I overlayed and tied 3 ft #4 bent around the corners tied to the parrallel #4 I had layed in. Overall it has been said this is way overbuilt I will be using platon as waterproofing as well up to ground level. As a novice I will have to look back in the instruction manual but I believe I braced according to instructions. I had 4 full blowouts and 2 partials I will end up with a small cold joint and ended up putting off the garage footing for another day. 6 trucks with 2 moderately skilled truck operators no pump and ended up with a 6+ slump. After wetting it up no blowouts just lots of nervousness. ANYWAY the question is about the loading any comments will be appretiated.
walltech
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30 Jun 2007 07:26 PM
What wall thickness are you working with on the stick frame portions?
Dave
Vinmeister
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04 Jul 2007 10:23 PM
A 6 1/"SIP clearspan with 2 floors
Vinnie
eric monkman
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05 Jul 2007 11:00 AM
I'd be interested to know which system you used, as you say no re-inforcing steel was specified in a 9 ft foundation wall ?
icfcontractor
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Posts:277
06 Jul 2007 09:20 AM
Eric,
In the IRC, in certain parts of the country you can build a 10" basement with no rebar. But typically I have seen this in central Canada.
ICF Contractor
eric monkman
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07 Jul 2007 12:48 PM
I would still like to hear more from Vinmeister, as the P Eng community is usually a little more conservative and site specific.
Vinmeister
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13 Jul 2007 11:34 PM
I dont know what the PE reasoning was but I believe it was effectively that the house could have been done with conventional forms at 6 inches with rebar. I beliueve that following the prescriptive guidelines he determined that it was unessesary and that was supported by the manufacturer (TF systems)
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