Nail Guards
Last Post 18 Oct 2007 04:32 PM by Talisker2. 7 Replies.
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20 Sep 2007 08:11 AM
What type of guard used to cover the electrical chases that are cut into icf walls.  I am fixing to start hanging sheet rock in mouse and Im pretty sure the inspector is going to want all the wires covered with something.

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20 Sep 2007 08:19 AM
No, the wires that are cut into the foam should be 1 1/4" back from the face, and either staples or a dab of foam to keep them in place.

You do not want to refoam the cut and bury the wire because of potential heat issues. The same nail[plates as for wood framing are ok where the wire is too close.
Take Care<br>Jim<br><br>Design/Build/Consulting<br>"Not So Big" Design Proponent
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20 Sep 2007 11:11 AM
I am curious as I have never heard of an inspector requiring any covers for ICf.

The runs should have been made paralell to the nail strip so there would be no wire in line with the area being nailed.

I also agree with Jim the wires are suppose to be cut in 1 1/4"- to 1 1/2" deep eliminating the need to cover them.
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20 Sep 2007 11:49 AM

I am building a 3000 sq ICF house as an owner/builder.  I cut all the wire chases at 2' between the joints of the blocks (perpendicular to the screw strips in the block).  I know when I go to hang drywall where not to put the screws, but, I just want to have "all the bases" covered when the inspector does his walk through.  I would think that this issue whould have risen in the past.  

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20 Sep 2007 01:44 PM
Most code is based on 2x4 stud construction. If you were building this method you would drill a hole in the middle of the stud and pull the wire through. 2x4 is actually 1.5x3.5. A 1" hole in the center would give you 1.25" of stud on either side of the hole. This is generally the least permissible distance that does not require a steel nailing plate.

ICF wiring is very similar to the wiring the space between the studs. In theory if the studs are drilled correctly the wire should span the space directly in the center and will not require protection from nailing. If for any reason the wire is not in the center of the space then a metal nailing strip must be used to protect the wire from nails or screws. The plates can be found in any supply house.

Alternatively you can run a strip of sheet metal across the webs that extends 6" above and below the wires. Check with your code official for the proper gauge (probably 18-14 gauge). Its probably not required by code in your application, but it may make you more comfortable.
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02 Oct 2007 10:58 AM
Update:

I had the inspector come out last week. He siad everything was good to go and that I did not need nail guards. Now, the fun begins. 3000 SQ Foot house to drywall. Myself and my girlfriend. 24' valted ceilings. You gotta love it.
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18 Oct 2007 02:10 AM
Just saw the nail guard posts---whether they were required or not, I am not entirely sure, nor do I care...we used them. From our perspective, we're happy to have used a continuous metal guard strip to protect against some idiot...not unlike myself, coming along in the future and mounting a picture, shelf, display case or some other item that might require a substantial nail or some such fastener. We did this on open wall expanses where it's likely we'll hang/mount stuff. We're not guarding against stuff that would fasten via the ICF nail strips, rather items whose mounting locations would be random from the perspective that we'd "prefer" to mount the xyz-thing "right here"...possibly coincident with an electrical wire or pex water line, which is not floating inside a framed wall, but is against a relatively solid backing so it is easily damaged by nails, pegs, etc. So if you don't use guards, remember where all the wires and pipes are, or use really short nails/picture hooks, etc. Fixing a leaky pipe or shorted wire is guaranteed to be a classic pain in the butt.
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18 Oct 2007 04:32 PM
What I plan on doing on my next and first ICF home is take a lot of photos, everything from the footers to the eves and building a scrapbook of details.  In which I will note the colors of paint, the type of flooring, location of plumbing and electrical etc.  Hopefully I will then have a complete record of the construction.

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